Thanks, for the respones, i am in the UK. I had thought about, a hobie or prindle 16 jib, but thought they might be too long in the luff, hence my question. I think i`ve sorted out the cleat arrangement, probably on a wire across the tramp, rather than cleats on the front bar, as this would enable a jib with a larger foot to be employed. I think some nacras have this arrangment.?