Bill. Quit screwing around with soft water boats and build the ice boat. Better yet, buy a used DN and get out there. The season has officialy started on the east coast and with luck we can go to april first. Why strugle to do 15 when you can do 60? This shot was taken saturday at Quobog pond near Sturbridge, MA. The winds were 8-12 and we were doing around 40 mph downwind.