| Re: Texel, SCHRS and PY
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Posts: 3,528 Looking for a Job, I got credi... | The 16 will struggle in the lighter stuff agaist such boats. It's a nature of the boat.
And in a perfect rating system this nature would be well represented by the formulas. Of course, a perfect system does not exist, but in the case of the 16 the schrs does not work well, whereas with more similar boats (F18-T-A) it usually works out fine. This could indicate for example that the factor applied to centerboard area and aspect is too small. Or maybe it would be nice to have a factor that controls if we have a more efficient rig (with diamonds, controlable mast rotation etc.) which permits more control and therefore permits a sailcut that powers up with less wind. I guess the influence of these systems on the survival of classes is probably underestimated. A good 16 sailor here gets bored going to local races if he has no chance to obtain a good position. So he only has the national races where we have a 16-only fleet. Given that there are much more local races during the year, he will have more fun if he gets another boat for racing (F18, A etc.). He finally sells the 16 and both the local and national H16 fleets get smaller. That is what seems to be happening in Spain right now. Wouter, I think a good rating system should try to adapt itself to the existing boats and not vice versa. Texel, although simpler, achieves this probably better than schrs. But the F18, A and T are not that similar One is a very hi-tech light single hander development boat without a kite, One is a heavy 2 up box rule boat with a kite, and one is a wide, ligher, powefull 2 up boat with kite. Not that much alike. What ever rating an boat gets, it will have sweet spots. If we were to a\dd amny seperate items into the rule, would it die as no-one would remember what they all needed to be and how they were controlled. By the nature of such rules ans SCHRS and Texel, they need to have enough datas to provide the corrct results without too many datas to make the rule unusable. Wouter is right that the H16 is a very old boat, with a sail shape that is not fast under current thinking and with an old hull shape. However it does have large sails as so should be able to perform. Without real data it's difficult to analyse this. I've seen Hobie 16's sailed very well at my local club (by the RYA Youth squad) and see them make their handicap against similar skill crews in Hurricanes, Spitfires, Darts and various other classes.
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Texel, SCHRS and PY
| wirebound | 01/16/08 11:28 AM |
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| scooby_simon | 01/16/08 11:40 AM |
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| wirebound | 01/16/08 11:54 AM |
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| scooby_simon | 01/16/08 12:40 PM |
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| Mark P | 01/16/08 05:16 PM |
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| Simon | 01/16/08 06:55 PM |
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| scooby_simon | 01/16/08 07:48 PM |
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| claus | 01/16/08 10:39 PM |
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| scooby_simon | 01/16/08 11:37 PM |
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| claus | 01/17/08 06:42 AM |
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| scooby_simon | 01/17/08 11:05 AM |
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| scooby_simon | 01/17/08 03:06 PM |
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| Wouter | 01/17/08 07:11 PM |
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| scooby_simon | 01/17/08 07:26 PM |
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| Mark P | 01/18/08 12:01 PM |
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| Wouter | 01/18/08 03:39 PM |
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| Mark P | 01/19/08 12:40 AM |
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| scooby_simon | 01/19/08 01:14 PM |
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| Mark Schneider | 01/20/08 08:41 PM |
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| wirebound | 01/22/08 08:48 PM |
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| Mark Schneider | 01/22/08 09:22 PM |
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| scooby_simon | 01/22/08 09:52 PM |
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| Mark Schneider | 01/22/08 10:08 PM |
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| scooby_simon | 01/22/08 10:32 PM |
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| _flatlander_ | 01/23/08 01:08 AM |
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| scooby_simon | 01/23/08 08:02 AM |
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| wirebound | 01/23/08 07:59 PM |
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| Codblow | 01/23/08 09:37 PM |
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| claus | 01/23/08 10:33 PM |
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| sailwave | 01/25/08 12:55 AM |
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| sailwave | 01/25/08 01:51 AM |
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| wirebound | 01/25/08 10:23 AM |
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| scooby_simon | 01/25/08 07:06 PM |
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| scooby_simon | 01/25/08 07:55 PM |
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| Wouter | 01/26/08 10:31 AM |
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