You know Pete, this is really very simple. What this all boils down to is a choice between who and what we want to see here. Do we want good F16 stuff and people involved with the class, or do we want what we have seen the last week? You can not get both, they are mutually exclusive as the good people dont hold up with this at length. I know that I will not keep coming here if we are to go trough this time over time. This is _not_ the first time we have these threads and they are a detriment to the class.