Just had to add to my post about the Wave. Well it seems some like the Hobie Bravo and some do not. Seem to be tippy and bows dig in easily, along with some other issues. Just from my previous few I thought the Bravo would give some major competition ot the Wave in sales and not I think that won't be the case. Still I may be wrong but the more I get to know the Wave the more and more I like it. I will never like it more than the H16 for many reasons but still it has its place.