The one thing to add to what Alec said that is that we didn't use these sails much after the 2007 Tybee, electing to save our new sails for our next attempt, and sailed mostly on our old rags. We trotted the new ones out once in awhile and figured that we just weren't tuning right and that we'd pay more attention later. By the time we got serious about them it was too late once we realized what we were dealing with. So our big mistake was not using them enough to figure them out. Again, saving gear and money, and figuring it was just a tuning issue. Maybe we will try to contact them, we'll figure that out.