| Re: ISAF Conference Report 5-15 november 2009 Busan, Korea
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Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD Mark Schneider
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | Mike..
I agree with you... my intention was not to bash NAHCA... they are the US Leader here with junior sailing and have been forever.
AS you say it's a tough nut to crack...
I am simply noting that the emperor has no clothes. The crowd is gearing up to scream KILL ISAF... they are dissing us again...
We are saying we want Olympic/International/ 5 and 5 events etc etc. But really are just doing the same things that contributed to the fiasco before. It's the same ol same ol program. (Do you think US Sailing would have voted to protect Stars if the World's top cat sailors at the junior and senior levels were US Sailors?)
We will bash ISAF and US Sailing for 2016....because it is convenient, let's us off the hook, and they screwed us before... So of course it's their fault again.
However, nobody wants to acknowledge our screwups leading up to the past fiasco or our limitations going into the next round.
Internationally, the world is using SL16's to train and develop Junior sailors. In the US we use Hobie 16's. (one championship with spin's does not reflect the US program). So, the facts on the ground are that the US catamaran clubs are using a 10 foot ladder for a 50 foot wall.
I agree with you that it's a tough nut... but we don't have a nutcracker here... (to keep the analogy)
As the HCA class has correctly said... Hey... who told us to scale the 50 foot wall/... we don't want to!
Right now... we have a low key program that emphasizes participation. It is a perfect fit for the Hobie Class Association. US Olympic will need something quite a bit different.
ISAF reasonably looks for the level of international participation at World events to measure the disiplines sailors commitments to international competition. So, look at US participation in Tigers, F18's, A class, Hobie 16 and Tornado Worlds. Can you argue that we have strong participation among US Catamaran Sailors with good results?
We are simply fooling ourselves. What would happen if ISAF does implement a 5 /5 solution a year from now. US Sailing announces.. we need pipelines for Men's and Women's Adult and Junior pipelines for catamarans. What do you have? events?, training?, coaching? Who is in the pipeline? How have they done internationally, results?
When US Sailing Olympic concludes that what we have is not close to competing on the international level... They will fund the skiff sailors. We will scream and holler that they sold us out again when they opt to support high performance skiff sailors and not multihull sailors.
Rather then pretend, we want to compete internationally... Perhaps we should reconsider our goals and right size them for our actual commitments.
crac.sailregattas.com
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