Thank you for all the input. The beauty of the Finn was that it ultimately came down to time on the water and a keen understanding of mast/sail combination to get to the first mark. The huge speed differences came off the wind, in the mid wind range, where everyone is a rock-star. Or rocking-star. It seems more ballast in the butt is concealed until you go off wind in the Mid wind range. I would always take limping upwind if I could hold my own downwind. I felt there may be an older boat design, with fuller hulls and larger sail plan, that has been dismissed by 85% of the crowd. It would have been a boat designed in a light wind area, that just was not controllable by the majority of smaller people that dominate the sport. I once owned a Super Cat that had huge hulls but the rig was poor. I dissagree with the one gentelman that talked about the length of time to become competitive. Some of my best races are when I know no one and they don't know me. Pecking order ruins many of race for the majority. I appreciate the input and will be looking for a boat. I have a picture of Paul Elvstrom in the Olympics with his daughter Trine sailing a Tornado. That is a priceless photo and I will want the same picture with my daughter Trine.