G'day guys thanks for the replies 8 to 1 is fine for the nacra 5.8 when I went over I didn't have it cleated, goose has been sailing nacras at a high standard for a long time and is spot on with his info all of the top sailors don't cleat their mains, my boat is set up so that the crew plays the mainsheet while I should be playing the downhaul but I don't trust my wife that much. MN3 if your elbow tendons are hurting you could try strapping them like my physio taught me that is a long tape from below your shoulder to above your wrist and a short tape under your elbow pulling from inner to outer. This has helped me enormously and my kids love pulling the tape off with my arm hair.