I saw somewhere someone asked me what I paid for the F18. List price is $13,500 fully equiped with mid pole snuffer....and I didn't get a discount! :-) I probably wouldn't have paid much more for a new boat in my current situation. However, It's a fine deal after you've spent several years buying spare parts and know what they cost. The boat is fully rigged (except strangly a spinnaker tack cleat) and has the new 8:1 carbo ratchematic mainsheet system, carbo ratchematic spinnaker blocks, all line (although I'll probably upgrade some of it to more synthetic stuff), all shackles...ready to sail.