Berny, - Persevere!

Be assured that after that first, full-on downwind blast under spin, you'll be converted! You'll never want to go back to the simple life! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

With the F16, it is disconcerting to find yourself barely able to hang with Dart 18s, Topcats etc when beating. But pull the kite for downwind and they're long gone! You're hanging with F18, Hurricane SX, and maybe (just maybe) Tornados!!

I suspect that the 430/F14 won't be very far off that sort of pace.....