Well, call me stubborn, also on my list of "don't likes" is the trentec traveller car.

Mike,

Thanks for reminding us of your previous post. Definitely an excellent location for the line and cleats.

Pat,

I think we'll use the small jaw cleats in Mike's location and remove the old swivel cleats.

I can see now that my friend may have been suggesting that the swivel cleats may protude too far aft and could possibly interfere with jib sheet control, especially when using on the wire.

ps These "youth" are 20, 21 & 23, I liked Ed Muns' definition of the Hobie youth as "40 and under"!!! ps