No matter how much twisting and turning, and comparing H16 to F18's (two totally uncomparable boats) the fact of the matter is that the Nacra 5.0 is a BETTER design then the Hobie 16. Whether or not a F18 is more prone to diving (which I don't think it is) doesn't say ^&%$*@ about how the Nacra 5.0 compares to the H16.

The rest is just typical Hobie 16 "hurt-feelings-blame-gaming"

NO, other sailors don't want to destroy the Hobie 16 class and NO, there is no secret conspiracy among ALL non Hobie 16 sailors to talk the design down every time it is discussed. And YES, the hobie 16 will even dive and pitchpole backwards in a blow a charactistic shared with the Hobie 14 and this is rather unique in the catamaran scene. If you like try that on a F18. And YES, a good portion of other boats will stop sooner, but NOT the nacra 5.0 which was they other boat in the comparison. So YES there are definately inferiour points about the H16 that are TRUE beyond a question of doubt.

Wouter