I don't mind rivalry or informed comment even on a bickering thread, but I find some of the comments to be verging on plain ignorant (and I'm not referring to you Pat over your tongue in cheek H16 comment). If a thread heads off into anarchy as this particular thread has the potential to do, no-one will win. It's just divisive, and with the post about declining catsailing in the US, that's the last thing any of you should want.
Rant over.
Relax John, geeze you can be so superior sometimes.