Thanks for all the replies, it's appreciated. When I compare the 450 to the Wave I see a boat that is 2 ft longer, 1 ft wider, weighs 280 lbs vs. 245, has jib blocks on the front beam instead of the tramp, and a portsmouth rating of 77.5 vs 93.4. A big jump for not much weight or size. The 500 is another 2 ft longer, and weighs 340 lbs. The Getaway is 390 lbs. I do remember a post by Danno where he had a leak in a hull on his 450. That concerns me. The rotomolded hulls on the Hobie have been darn near torpedo proof. I do wonder how much less bouyant the 450 is. On my lake there are some lowrider 16's when 2 good size adults are aboard. BTW another poster mentioned NACRA's "uninspiring" website. Amen to that! Thanks to everyone for your input.