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Re: I20 [Re: fin.] #105009
04/30/07 10:02 AM
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The single greatest feature of the Inter 20 I found was it's stability in unstable conditions. With 20 feet of hull and big fat bows, you can relly push it hard going downwind. You can easily de-power it upwind too. It's nearly impossible to overload it. It drives like a Cadilac, smooth and fast. It's not a light, twitchy boat like the F18HT's or A cats, which will usually beat the I-20 to the A mark, but when you pull that big spinnaker out and point it downwind, it will take you on the ride of your life, with complete stability in big wind and waves.

The one big drawback is the same as for the F18's, it weighs nearly 400lbs and you must race it two up, per the rules, not because it takes two to sail it, it certainly does not take two in light to medium wind. I used to sail mine solo here on a lake in up to 17 knots, and yes, I did right it solo many times. It is a great ride and on a distance race it won't beat you to death.

They are getting expensive. I have heard rumors of $19,000 for a new boat. That's why you can't find a used one.

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Re: I20 [Re: Timbo] #105010
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The only time I felt a little helpless and on the edge of control on an I20 was downwind with it gusts to 34-36 knots.


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Re: I20 [Re: Jake] #105011
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The only time I felt a little helpless and on the edge of control on an I20 was downwind with it gusts to 34-36 knots.


AHA! The best reason to stay away from the I-20s is the skippers are all nuts! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Sign me, I. B. Wuss.

Re: I20 [Re: fin.] #105012
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AHA! The best reason to stay away from the I-20s is the skippers are all nuts!


Completely -

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Re: I20 [Re: MauganN20] #105013
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AHA! The best reason to stay away from the I-20s is the skippers are all nuts!


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Do you recall the conditions pictured here? Trying to analyze photos again! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Re: I20 [Re: fin.] #105014
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knowing Trey,

it was between races trying to show off his shiney bottom.

Re: I20 [Re: MauganN20] #105015
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That main has too much twist. Certainly not fast. Crew looks to happy (smiling) that means more butt whooping is needed.
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Re: I20 [Re: fin.] #105016
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Hey! I resemble that remark!!!!!!!


If your havin girl problems i feel bad for you son
I got 99 problems but my beautiful wife ain't one
Re: I20 [Re: fin.] #105017
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What no Miami talk ,figured you F16 (not Taipan) Blade people would be all over that result with L.Lawrence he sailed it very quickly......

Re: I20 [Re: Timbo] #105018
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My crew just sold his i20 and I'm reading this thinking, I wish he hadnt sold it. I miss that boat already.

The i20 is fun downwind in the medium winds, like 10-12, when the crew is down on the leeward hull, mostly underwater, goggles on, trimming between fire hose blasts, the skipper is up high and dry, warm sunshine on my face, steering, hull out of the water, ahhhh, good times, good times.

I actually considered getting him a snorkel, perhaps thats why he sold it.

Re: I20 [Re: Robi] #105019
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That main has too much twist. Certainly not fast. Crew looks to happy (smiling) that means more butt whooping is needed.
<img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />


Definitely - crew is way to happy.


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Thats ironic considering thats "Team Happy" in the flesh.

I sense that I had missed something. [Re: BobG] #105021
04/30/07 03:03 PM
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What no Miami talk ,figured you F16 (not Taipan) Blade people would be all over that result with L.Lawrence he sailed it very quickly......



I get a feeling that there is something to know here.

So I went to the Miami Key Largo homepage : http://miamiyachtclub.net/regattas/miamikeylargo/race.htm

And looked up the race results : http://miamiyachtclub.net/regattas/miamikeylargo/mklresults2007.pdf


And what do you know :

Luke Lawrence, sailing a Blade F16, finished 7th on handicap in a fleet of 42 beach cats. In this fleet 24 cats were 19, 20, 21, 23, 27 and 30 feet in length. Luke and his crew beat 17 of them on elapsed time ! Who said the Blade F16 can't do distance races in light winds and be competitive ?

And he did it in 5-10 mph winds. Was Luke sailing with Caroline Wright ?

Also note the other youth sailor Sarah Newbury on the tornado at 3rd spot in both listings. The youths are doing excellent here.

Results on handicap are (first 10)

-1- Roberts, Eric RC-30 5:21:34
-2- Philips, Michael Marstrom M-20 5:20:02
[color:"blue"]-3- Newberry, Sarah Tornado 5:51:03 [/color]
-4- Sonnenklar, Jay Inter-20 6:11:01
-5- Mayo, Clive Marstrom M-18 6:25:44
-7- Moss, Bret A Class + SPIN 6:27:01
[color:"red"]-8- Lawrence, Luke Blade F16 (2-up) 6:35:02 [/color]


On elapsed time the results are (first 10):

-1- Roberts, Eric RC-30 2:50:45
-2- Philips, Michael Marstrom M-20 3:05:37
[color:"blue"] -3- Newberry, Sarah Tornado 3:27:07 [/color]
-4- Sonnenklar, Jay Inter-20 3:40:01
-5- Sonneklar, Jared Inter-20 3:59:05
-6- Mayo, Clive Marstrom M-18 3:59:09
-7- Moss, Bret A Class + SPIN 3:59:57
-8- Greene, Terry Inter-20 4:01:47
-9-Leonard, Joe Inter-20 4:02:15
[color:"red"]-10- Lawrence, Luke Blade F16 (2-up) 4:17:34 [/color]


Also note how close the doublehanded F16 stayed to the singlehanded M-18 and A-cat+spi, again in 5-10 mph winds ? At least all that carbon looks good ! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Wouter

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Re: I sense that I had missed something. [Re: Wouter] #105022
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Yeah

I might have a government-institutional-mindwashing-education, but I can't for the life of me, figure out what in the sam hell your post has to do with the boat formerly known as the Inter 20.

Re: I sense that I had missed something. [Re: MauganN20] #105023
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. . . the boat formerly known as the Inter 20.


So what is it known as now?

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The Nacra 20.

Re: I sense that I had missed something. [Re: fin.] #105025
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So what is it known as now?



200 kg barge !

Haven't you been paying attention Tiki ? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Wouter


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Re: I sense that I had missed something. [Re: Wouter] #105026
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We'll see how the F16 fairs when its Portsmouth numbers take a good hit in the near future...


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Re: I sense that I had missed something. [Re: NCSUtrey] #105027
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Do they use Alter Cup elapsed times to calculate DPN?

I would think that it would be a good start, as you would have some of the finest crews out there on an official course in a variety of conditions.


Jay

Re: I sense that I had missed something. [Re: waterbug_wpb] #105028
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Doesn't it take fleets of mixed type/brand of boats (as you would be comparing performance over the same course, conditions, etc.) to be used for Portsmouth rating calculations? Just guessing here....


Tom
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