If you see the A-class than there is also a possiblity for tapered masts in the calculations as it was in the early days when they still had the alu masts. Most of these where tapered, specially the 10 mtr long one's. When they changed to around 9 mtr's the tapering dissapered and also with the coming of the carbon masts.
In the measurement form of the F16 there is also the possiblity for tapered masts.

Hans and the others seem to have done their homework very well. I'm inclined to vote "yes" on all three ballots.

Anyone care to argue the other side of the questions?

I have a mainsail from Glenn Asby, made in 2005. It was measured last week by an official measurer and it complies to the proposed new rules. So I suppose there are no problems for people with an "old" Asby sail.

They all look like good amendments.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
I read these propositions in relation to underwater foils to only impact on the centre/dagger boards? Is that correct?
The addition of "wing foils" to the bottom of the dagger/centre boards will not be allowed, but the addition of "T" foils on the rudders will still be class legal?
(This proposition doesn’t address the potential (as far as I see it) of complying with the, no wing on centre/dagger boards but separate forward mounted side hinging hydrofoils could still be incorporated within the box rule of the class)

Is this not covered by there shall be a maximum of one pair of centreboards rule?

[color:"blue"] 1.6.2 In addition to the rudders the platform may also be equipped with a pair of daggerboards or centerboards.
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Any additional foils would surely be construed as additional centreboards?

But they would not be either centre boards nor dagger boards, they would be bow mounted and offset either in from the inside of the hull or offset on the outside of the hull probably up to some 300mm away from the actual side "wall" of the hull, and able to be swung up out of the water and down when wanted, sideways.

Then Darryl,

Such a development could be caught under:

[color:"blue"] 2.6 Spirit of the Rule

2.6.1 In case of doubt, the intention of the rule makers, which is the spirit, shall
take precedence over the letter of the rule.

2.6.2 The spirit of the rule includes, among other principles, the following considerations :

2.6.2.A Preserving general equality in overall performance between craft of different make, accepting small variations, in order to guarantee fair racing between designs of different make.

2.6.2.B Maximizing the freedom to optimize a design to personal preference and to improve the performance of a given crew and craft through refinement.

2.6.2.C The allowance to gently improve, by design, the handling and overal behaviour of a craft in small controlled steps which don't upset the balance in the class to the extent that the continued existence and growth of the class are no longer guaranteed. [/color]

or:

[color:"blue"] 2.7.3 All amendments, changes or additions shall be placed on one pre-next-season notice unless the Formula 16 authoriy considers it to be essential to act immediately to prohibit or penalize a dangerous feature. [/color]

This kind of also answers scooby_simon's question about retrospective banning of adjustable T-foil rudders that turn out to be a quantum leap in boat performance.

I really tried to start a new thread but can't find out how. I can't reply to any posts so I've send you my details per catsailor private mail.

I hope that will suffice.

Wouter

Wouter. No one else has had problems; I mave sent you detailed instructions via PM

It appears that my browser isn't loading all items in the page and this probably includes some menu bar with the control buttons. I will look further into it.

Wouter

You PM box is Full;

What browser are you using. I have tested this with IE7 and Firefix 2.something.....

personally I have no wish to add another web site to the list potential security/privacy holes my system has.

How does the F16 council propose to get around voters who either are not online or like myself dont wish to give details to another website for theit marketing use?

I am the owner and administrator of www.letshaveachat.com. Your details will not be used by any organisation other than the administration of the letshaveachat website; If you require I will remove your details from the the letshaveachat.com F16 introductions forum as soon (as practical) after you have posted in that forum.; all that will remain will be the information you put into your public profile.

Still doesnt answer the question but thanks for trying..

What methods are available for people who are legit F16 owners & sailors who either wont or cant get into
www.letshaveachat.com ??


Second question when was the vote for the current F16 council?

Try emailing f16gc@formula16.org . In answer to your previous question: whilst it would be nice to be able to offer a "single sign-on" for all F16 business through the formula16.org website, doing so takes time and effort (probably mine) and it isn't going to happen for this year. I'm very grateful to Simon for arranging this at short notice through his website.



There was no vote. There was a call for volunteers made on this site last year, and the number of volunteers was pretty much equal to the number of positions that we looked to fill. Even if we had been overwhelmed by volunteers, I assume that you can see the bootstrapping problem of arranging a vote for council members before a council exists to organise a vote.

Committee elections typically take place at the AGM, and I suspect that the F16GC will be doing the same at the Zandvoort AGM.

Would you like to put your name forward for a position on the council for next year?

Paul

Paul,

Implementing the software that is behind the lethaveachat forum is not a difficult task. Software licence is approx £180. It took me a couple of weeks to setup.

I am happy to continue to host these polls for as long as is required. The www.letshaveachat.com forum and web site was something I played around with a little while ago with grad ideas for a sports based forum but never got around to developing, it will probably sit in cyberspace until I get around to doing something with it.

I would like to re-iterate that I am the sole administator of the site, no other parties have any access to any details you provide - [color:"red"] excepting what you put in your on-line profile [/color]

I think we must see the GC as the first step from transitioning the F16 class from a hierarchical run organisation (under my persona) to a democratically run organisation (with voted GC members).

The step from me being the only real class official with power to a council with three equally powerful officials is a big one towards placing more power with the class members.

The step to arrive at elected council members is now only a small one.

Wouter

Well may I say that is very nice Simon... Though from past experiences in this medium Im not easily convinced.. Thrice bitten and all that...


However...
The poles should be open to non web users as well as web users.. If we wish to have a legit entity...

I must have missed the call.. Probably dodging bullets in South Sudan at the time..

I have been asked and I have accepted to help the "Australian F16 council" in what ever capacity is required..
To sit in any position on the "International F16 council" I am not sure how I can do it justice.

Currently I am on boards of three international companies and one national corp. CEO of another, President of a state professional association and finally chair a technical committee.. So my emotional, physical and mental energy is fairly well drained..

Stewart