| tough rules question/situation #110973 07/08/07 03:53 PM 07/08/07 03:53 PM |
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Posts: 248 Colorado | OK, lets see how this one comes out:
Two boats (“A” and “B”) are heading downwind and converging on opposite tacks. The wind is blowing 15 to 18 knots so both boats are moving fast. “B”, on port, safely passes in front of “A” and jibes to starboard and is now leeward of “A”. During the jibe, “A” passes “B”, but “B” quickly gets up to speed and gains an overlap. Both boats are now three or four boat lengths from the finish and are passing the left-hand leeward gate (leaving it to port) which is almost directly upwind from the committee boat. “A” is footing off and almost dead downwind and screaming for room, while “B” is heading up trying to get to the finish and not hit the committee boat. “B” passes “A” without making contact and finishes without hitting the committee boat; and to “B”’s surprise, “A” rounds the left gate and heads out for another leg of the race and starts yelling for “B” to do circles, but “B” has already crossed the finish line
Some qualifiers: It’s not clear when “B” obtained an overlap after jibing, but definitely well before reaching the leeward mark. At 15 knots, 40 feet gets covered in a hurry and it’s hard to tell if it was outside the two-boat-length circle, but “A” insists that the overlap came after the two-boat-length circle.
“A” started 10 minutes ahead of the “B” and was sailed by one of the fleet’s top-ranked sailors, and most all other boats in his class had already finished. “B” hailed “A” and asked his intentions but was not given an answer. “A” did not hail for room to round the mark until both boats were alongside it.
Why did “B” wait so long to jibe and head for the finish? He was covering his closest competitor who also waited to jibe.
Why was the gate so close to the committee boat? It was very windy all day with gusts well over 25 knots and the mark probably drifted.
There are loads of rules in play here: room for “A” to round a mark, room for “B” to pass a continuing obstruction, leeward boat, etc. The sailors met on the beach and talked it over, but came to no conclusion. There was no protest, but there might have been if it was a bigger event and it would be nice to know Who was in the right here.
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#110977 07/08/07 07:34 PM 07/08/07 07:34 PM |
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Posts: 248 Colorado | Yes, the boats were in different fleets. I'll try to post a drawing.
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#110979 07/09/07 07:31 AM 07/09/07 07:31 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | See if I understand this correctly:
+A and B are in different fleets +Both boats are on starboard +B is heading to her downwind finish while A intends to round C-mark for another lap +C mark is a gate and is placed upwind of the committee boat
Sounds to me like A has no rights here. B is sailing her proper course and the buoys at C are merely obstructions to her now. Both vessels are racing so racing rules apply, but both boats are not about to round the mark so the mark rounding rules do not. It also sounds like B's proper course was to maintain heading to the finish - especially since it sounds like she might have had trouble laying the finish line. Overlap doesn't really matter since mark rounding rules don't apply - No foul.
Granted, however, it would difficult for the boats to tell the intent of the other on the course.
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#110980 07/09/07 03:15 PM 07/09/07 03:15 PM |
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Posts: 248 Colorado | Jake, Your assumptions are all correct. I was "B" in this race (H20) and "A" was an H17. As we crossed and got the overlap I asked what he was doing and all he said was "racing," which wasn't very helpfull. He's the best 17 sailor in the fleet and started 10 minutes ahead of us so I assumed he was also heading for the finish (he capsized earlier and was just trying to complete the course). If he had continued to keep me from heading up, I was in danger of hitting the committee boat. The wind had piped up by this time and we were all moving pretty fast so all of this took place in less than 30 seconds.
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