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Milt Ingram 2007 #111808
07/16/07 01:35 AM
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The Milt Ingram Memorial race around Anacapa Is. took place this past Saturday in near perfect conditions. Race distance ~42 miles.

5 beachcats took part...1 Tornado (Full Tilt), 1 Nacra 5.8 (Smoke 606), 1 H21SC (Stimpy), 2 Hobie Tigers. An I20 from Phoenix also showed up but had to return to the ramp after suffering a mainsheet cleat problem prior to the start.

Conditions were ~8 kts and building at the 11:30 beachcat start...seas moderate chop & building swell.
The first 20 min. saw insufficient breeze for my crew Erik L. to use the trap on the Tornado...we managed to get a good start and slowly pulled out a small lead...but the 8.5 ft beam boats were flying & pointing higher.

As the wind built to about 12 kts, we could single and then later double trap...and then we really put the hammer down, extending on the fleet all the way up the leg. At about halfway up the leg, we could still see Afterburner (52 ft LOA, 30 ft beam, 80 ft carbon rotating rig beachcat on steroids)...she had started 5 minutes prior to the beachcats. Normally after 45 min. of sailing, she'd be on the horizon...but she was only ~1/4 mile up the course.

Shortly after our 1st tack, we saw 'burner suddenly round up head to wind and stop! She lowered her main to put in a first reef and then got back to business (we learned later she was having her mainsail clew straps pulling out and so was forced to reef to keep racing).

We had gained a lot on her and were now about 10 mins back. Although she was sailing again, she was still getting larger...we were faster! By the last tack to the oil rig Grace, her lead was under 5 minutes. We arrived at the rig right between two big keel boats (Deception & Funatic...starting some 25 min prior to the beachcats). We had to dive beneath them to round the rig and just was we got up to top beam reach speed we slammed into their combined wind shadow. Our boat went flat and big wave scooped me off the aft trapeze position, depositing me between the transoms. Somehow I managed to grab the tiller connector bar and lucky for me the trap line was still engaged....I was body surfing at about 14 kts! I jammed the helm hard to lee to round up and get back on board with the help of Erik.

Here is a screen shot of tracks from Full Tilt & Smoke 606 during the weather leg to oil rig Grace (the small yellow blip right after Grace is my body surfing ordeal):

[Linked Image]



We took off after 'burner...now well down the leg. The other cats were still back on the weather leg...at least 10 or more minutes back after 90 minutes of sailing.
The rest of the beam reach leg was relatively uneventful...save for a few bow stuffs...one of which resulted in a huge amount of water entering our mid-pole snuffer. The crew retention devices (aka "chicken lines") I had installed earlier in the week proved to very useful on several occasions!

Once at the east end of Anacapa, we could see 'burner trying to find her way down the backside...she was having trouble filling her hugh head sail about 1/4 mile out from shore. We decided to try going in close under spinnaker. This seemed to work well and we reeled in the big boat once again. We didn't see another beach cat until halfway down the back side..some 3 hours into the race....it was a Tiger with blue spinny (sailed by Alex). They were going out...way out to look for wind. The other Tiger sailed by Justin later told us they were in a strong second until they pitch poled after the rig. They tore up some batten pockets and lost a place to alex. Once going again, they hit a seal! However, they manged to re-take the position down the backside of the island.

Burner disappeared around the bend and took off on the homeward reach. We gave chase some 4 or 5 minutes later. Double-trapped and hitting the high teens for the next 50 odd minutes, we never saw another beach cat in our wake.

We finished after 4hrs, 9 min elapsed....just 8 minutes behind Afterburner and she started 5 minutes before the beachcats! A new course record to Afterburner (Multihull fleet) & Full tilt (beachcat fleet).

Finish order after number crunching:

1st: Tornado Full Tilt
2nd: Hobie 21 Sport Cruiser (Mitch)
3rd: Hobie Tiger (Justin)


A full replay of the tracks from Smoke 606 & Full Tilt can be watched here:

Milt Replay


Last edited by Tornado; 07/16/07 02:25 AM.
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Re: Milt Ingram 2007 [Re: Tornado] #111809
07/16/07 02:43 AM
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Cool stuff Mike! Sounds like you have figured the boat out and are going fast. What is your next Tornado event?

Re: Milt Ingram 2007 [Re: Tornado] #111810
07/16/07 08:40 AM
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Very interesting. Why was the 5.8 not pointing well on port?

Also can you please post a tutorial on the GPS action replay software? The docs are not very good.

Dave

Re: Milt Ingram 2007 [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #111811
07/16/07 10:40 AM
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Cool stuff Mike! Sounds like you have figured the boat out and are going fast. What is your next Tornado event?


Next T event is the US Nats at San Diego...3 days of last week in September. I'm not permitted to race the following week event...US Trials.

Cheers!


Mike Dobbs
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Re: Milt Ingram 2007 [Re: pitchpoledave] #111812
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Very interesting. Why was the 5.8 not pointing well on port?

Also can you please post a tutorial on the GPS action replay software? The docs are not very good.

Dave


John's 5.8 had some troubles...the newly installed trapeze rope-locks (those rectangular plastic things) broke on both the crew & helm positions...after recovering, they really could not trap on at least one tack and more. The boat is rigged with a mid-pole snuffer and John reported he was constantly stuffing the hoop all day...it sits quite low on the 5.8 due to the funky bow bridle foil setup.

Yes, the GPS Replay instructions are a bit tough...it's from a non-English native speaker (French) and somewhat tricky to understand the details. Are you having trouble installing the client to your pc or just trying to the applet on my web page?


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Re: Milt Ingram 2007 [Re: Tornado] #111813
07/16/07 02:44 PM
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An I20 from Phoenix also showed up but had to return to the ramp after suffering a mainsheet cleat problem prior to the start.


Great summary Mike. yea, i knew it was going to be a great day when it only probably took like 20 minutes to get to the start and we were not really heating it up.

Yea, note to self. Dont try and adjust the cleat position on the main when in 2-3' swells. Tend to loose things easily... DOH! (called harken and they are shipping the piece to me already). Good to see all you guys and hope.. i say hope to see you guys for the Tri-point in a little over a month.

Jonathan Grant
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Re: Milt Ingram 2007 [Re: basketcase] #111814
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Your experience was the biggest disappoint for the fleet! Would've been great to have you in the hunt.

See you at the Tri-Point!



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An I20 from Phoenix also showed up but had to return to the ramp after suffering a mainsheet cleat problem prior to the start.


Great summary Mike. yea, i knew it was going to be a great day when it only probably took like 20 minutes to get to the start and we were not really heating it up.

Yea, note to self. Dont try and adjust the cleat position on the main when in 2-3' swells. Tend to loose things easily... DOH! (called harken and they are shipping the piece to me already). Good to see all you guys and hope.. i say hope to see you guys for the Tri-point in a little over a month.

Jonathan Grant
Mesa, AZ
Nacra 20


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Re: Milt Ingram 2007 [Re: Tornado] #111815
07/16/07 06:05 PM
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Very interesting. Why was the 5.8 not pointing well on port?

Also can you please post a tutorial on the GPS action replay software? The docs are not very good.

Dave


John's 5.8 had some troubles...the newly installed trapeze rope-locks (those rectangular plastic things) broke on both the crew & helm positions...after recovering, they really could not trap on at least one tack and more. The boat is rigged with a mid-pole snuffer and John reported he was constantly stuffing the hoop all day...it sits quite low on the 5.8 due to the funky bow bridle foil setup.



Yeup – that sums it up – I had just installed new rope locks on Friday, and as we plowing through the chop on starboard tack both of the rope locks gave out almost at the same time – weird! I ended up slamming against the boat tweaking my knee and then got tea bagged off the stern – not fun for a 50 year old carrying and additional 20 lbs of unwanted ballast. Having one of these fail is normal, having two fail led us to believe we could expect a problem with the port side so we sailed conservatively (crew trapped out using both lines on port tacks) until we hit the back side of Anacapa so that we could rig a safety line to keep us trapped out on the boat should those locks fail on us too.

All in all, we have had two excellent days of racing in Ventura the Rum Run and now the Milt – the Tri-Point is coming up, and this is race made for beachcats.

Re: Milt Ingram 2007 [Re: Ventucky Red] #111816
07/16/07 07:05 PM
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for whatever it is worth... I was using the rope locks but they ended up abrading the line too much so I went back to the figure 8 knot and stopper ball. I am leaving the crew with the rope lock though so they can adjust it though as needed. How did you have the line wrapped around them?

Re: Milt Ingram 2007 [Re: PTP] #111817
07/17/07 07:14 AM
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I also use rope locks and have had them fail. What I do now is double the rope locks. I put two of them together and then run the rope through them and have not had any failures since.

Re: Milt Ingram 2007 [Re: Ventucky Red] #111818
07/17/07 09:16 AM
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Two alternative ideas for the double rope lock I saw last weekend.

1) A simple 25 cent nylon washer above the lock.

2) the spittin' image machined from aluminum. Who has an old Bridgeport in their Garage? I think that would sell.


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for whatever it is worth... I was using the rope locks but they ended up abrading the line too much so I went back to the figure 8 knot and stopper ball. I am leaving the crew with the rope lock though so they can adjust it though as needed. How did you have the line wrapped around them?



Thanks and thats what were going back to – went to the work shed last night and pulled out the old SS dog bones, some 3/8” line, and started to work on getting it back to the original setup.

I went to the “Can’t Miss Ring” and rope lock system about three years ago when I rebuilt this boat and never had a problem with the rope locks or the rings. The only reason I replaced them was due to the fact the lines were getting frayed, and the locks that were there were looking a little fatigued.

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I also went from the "Can't Miss" rings back to the old stainless dogbones. I never felt comfortable in the cant miss rings. They always looked like they were about to fail. I did take the dog bones and coat them in the rubberized tool dip. That stuff has saved chipped teeth and daggerboards, has held up to a year of use with no signs of wear and looks cool too!


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Re: Milt Ingram 2007 [Re: ksurfer2] #111821
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and coat them in the rubberized tool dip.


How do you do this? Easily available stuff from HomeDepot?


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Very easy to do, the stuff can be purchased at any hardware store, I beleive I got mine at a local Ace Hardware. Tie a string to your dog bone and dip in the can, hang to dry and your done. Add a second coat if you want. The stuff comes in different colors to match your taste.


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I also went from the "Can't Miss" rings back to the old stainless dogbones. I never felt comfortable in the cant miss rings. They always looked like they were about to fail. I did take the dog bones and coat them in the rubberized tool dip. That stuff has saved chipped teeth and daggerboards, has held up to a year of use with no signs of wear and looks cool too!


Thanks for the tip - I'll pop into the tool supply store around the corner from work, they should have it - I have been meaning to get that stuff, now I have an excuse to do it.

Chipped teeth - been there got the t-shirt

Re: Milt Ingram 2007 [Re: ksurfer2] #111824
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I never felt comfortable in the cant miss rings. They always looked like they were about to fail.


Looked like? Have you seen one fail yet?

My "can't miss rings" have continually failed to chip my teeth, glasses, and failed to bruise my lips, eyebrows, and chip my dagger boards. They also fail to make chinky noises when they bang against each other.

GARY


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Re: Milt Ingram 2007 [Re: hobiegary] #111825
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I never felt comfortable in the cant miss rings. They always looked like they were about to fail.


Looked like? Have you seen one fail yet?

My "can't miss rings" have continually failed to chip my teeth, glasses, and failed to bruise my lips, eyebrows, and chip my dagger boards. They also fail to make chinky noises when they bang against each other.

GARY

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