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Re: Hobie 16, "one design" or not? [Re: Hakan Frojdh] #113075
08/13/07 01:41 PM
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Hakan... was the event a bring your own boat... or did they provide boats.

Perhaps, they assumed that the all the boats were more or less equal from the factory and the luck of the draw was used to assign you a boat ... so... no need to measure and add corrector weights.


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Re: Hobie 16, "one design" or not? [Re: Hakan Frojdh] #113076
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But is the Hobie 16 really a one design if you have to measure it before each major regatta?

/hakan


In terms of weight, the best answer that I have been given is the fact that the hulls are hand-laid (and thus vary in weight), and depending on the age/condition of the dyes, the aluminum extrusions may vary in weight.

As Matt said, we'd all much rather have a boat that has to have corrector weights added to it. Most boats gain weight with age (water in the hulls, etc.).

And as Scooby mentioned, compliance with ALL class rules is something that needs to be controlled after the boat leaves the factory. Good examples are length of the H17 centerboard lines, purchase and setup of the H16 downhaul, etc. which have been watched carefully.

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Re: Hobie 16, "one design" or not? [Re: brucat] #113077
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The Australian and Asians championship in Melbourne was a bring your own boat event, they had a limited amount of charter boats. No boat had their weight checked.

On all Europeans I've sailed, no weight check of the boats, but all Gold fleet sailors had to use supplied new sails and battens.

Why is it only the Hobie16 Europeans that use the concept with new sails for the gold fleet?

For me "one design" means bring your boat and sail, no boring delays with measurement and other stuff.

/hakan

Re: Hobie 16, "one design" or not? [Re: Hakan Frojdh] #113078
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For me "one design" means bring your boat and sail, no boring delays with measurement and other stuff.

/hakan


But you are assuming no-one has fiddled with their boat since it left the factory.


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Re: Hobie 16, "one design" or not? [Re: scooby_simon] #113079
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well, you forgot about those of us that have reverse engineered the boats, made a mold of the hull and laid up our own all carbon H16's <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Re: Hobie 16, "one design" or not? [Re: Will_R] #113080
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well, you forgot about those of us that have reverse engineered the boats, made a mold of the hull and laid up our own all carbon H16's <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Hobie 16, "one design" or not? [Re: scooby_simon] #113081
08/13/07 03:33 PM
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It would be really cool with an all carbon 75 kg Hobie 16. It would probably be possibel to build but EXPENSIVE! The downwind performance would be good but I'm not sure about the upwind performance, not enough hull digging in maybe?

/hakan

Re: Hobie 16, "one design" or not? [Re: brucat] #113082
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Three Hobie 18 Women's World Championships were held in the U.S., and they were all bring-your-own boat regattas, and all the boats were weighed at every event. I know that at the last one, in the early 90's in New Jersey, the difference in weights was as much as 30 pounds.

And the age of the boat does not necessarily mean it will be heavier, either. Boats from different years or eras were built heavier or lighter. Our boat was the lightest one there, at only 3 lbs over minimum weight, but I think it was also the oldest boat there.

Re: Hobie 16, "one design" or not? [Re: Mary] #113083
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Mary, I would think you would remember that the event was held in Wildwood in 93 and that you and your sister won the Womens 18 Worlds.


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