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Al Gore must be pissed #114188
08/10/07 03:55 PM
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But what the heck does that "Dr. Gray" fella know, anyway... I mean, he didn't do anything special like invent the internet or anything...

[color:"blue"] Hurricanes and Hot Air
By WILLIAM M. GRAY
July 26, 2007; Page A12

Though the 2007 hurricane season is off to a slow start, my colleague Phil Klotzbach and I will be updating our seasonal Atlantic Basin Hurricane Activity Forecast on Aug 3. We still anticipate another active season -- an above-average number of major hurricanes with maximum sustained winds in excess of 110 mph.

Since 1995, the Atlantic basin has experienced a significant increase in major hurricanes, with 47 major storms in the last 12 years. During the prior 25-year period, 1970 to 1994, there were only 38 major hurricanes, or, on an annual basis, slightly less than 40% as many. On a long period normalized basis, major hurricanes account for about 80% to 85% of all U.S. tropical cyclone-related destruction.

Some scientists, journalists and activists see a direct link between the post-1995 upswing in Atlantic hurricanes and global warming brought on by human-induced greenhouse gas increases. This belief, however, is unsupported by long-term Atlantic and global observations.

Consider, for example, the intensity of U.S. land-falling hurricanes over time -- keeping in mind that the periods must be long enough to reveal long-term trends. During the most recent 50-year period, 1957 to 2006, 83 hurricanes hit the United States, 34 of them major. In contrast, during the 50-year period from 1900 to 1949, 101 hurricanes (22% more) made U.S. landfall, including 39 (or 15% more) major hurricanes.

The hypothesis that increasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere increases the number of hurricanes fails by an even wider margin when we compare two other multi-decade periods: 1925-1965 and 1966-2006. In the 41 years from 1925-1965, there were 39 U.S. land-falling major hurricanes. In the 1966-2006 period there were 22 such storms -- only 56% as many. Even though global mean temperatures have risen by an estimated 0.4 Celsius and CO2 by 20%, the number of major hurricanes hitting the U.S. declined.

If global warming isn't the cause of the increased Atlantic hurricane activity seen over the past dozen years, what is?
My Colorado State University colleagues and I attribute the increase in hurricane activity to the speed-up of water circulating in the Atlantic Ocean. This circulation began to strengthen in 1995 -- at exactly the same time that Atlantic hurricane activity showed a large upswing.

Here's how it works. Though most people don't realize it, the Atlantic Ocean is land-locked except on its far southern boundary. Due to significantly higher amounts of surface evaporation than precipitation, the Atlantic has the highest salinity of any of the global oceans. Saline water has a higher density than does fresh water. The Atlantic's higher salinity causes it to have a continuous northward flow of upper-ocean water that moves into the Atlantic's polar regions, where it cools and sinks due to its high density. After sinking to deep levels, the water then moves southward, and returns to the Atlantic's southern fringes, where it mixes again. This south-to-north upper-level water motion, and compensating north-to-south deep-level water motion, is called the thermohaline circulation (THC).

The strength of the Atlantic's THC shows distinct variations over time, due to naturally occurring salinity variations. When the THC is strong, the upper-ocean water becomes warmer than normal; atmospheric circulation changes occur; and more hurricanes form. The opposite occurs when the THC is weaker than average.

Since 1995, the Atlantic's THC has been significantly stronger than average. It was also stronger than average during the 1940s to early 1960s -- another period with a spike in major hurricane activity. It was distinctly weaker than average in the two quarter-century periods of 1970-1994 and 1900-1925, when there was less hurricane activity.
A number of my colleagues and I have discussed the physics of Atlantic THC variations in our seasonal hurricane forecasts and in various conference talks for many years. Those who are convinced that greenhouse gas increases provide the only plausible explanation for the recent increases in hurricane activity are either unaware of our work, or don't want to consider any alternative.

One reason may be that the advocates of warming tend to be climate modelers with little observational experience. Many of the modelers are not fully aware of how the real atmosphere and ocean function. They rely more on theory than on observation.

The warming theorists -- most of whom, no doubt, earnestly believe that human activity has triggered nature's wrath -- have the ears of the news media. But there is another plausible explanation, supported by decades of physical observation. The spate of recent destructive hurricanes may have little or nothing to do with greenhouse gases and climate change, and everything to do with the Atlantic Ocean's currents.

[color:"red"] Mr. Gray, professor emeritus in the Department of Atmospheric Science at Colorado State University and a research fellow at the Independent Institute, has been issuing Atlantic basin seasonal hurricane forecasts for the past 24 years.[/color]
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Re: Al Gore must be pissed [Re: waterbug_wpb] #114189
08/10/07 04:00 PM
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Yes, and your point is?

Re: Al Gore must be pissed [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #114190
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Easy one...Al Gore is a self-absorbed wiener-head....

Re: Al Gore must be pissed [Re: h17racer] #114191
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All is right with the world there is no room for improvement.

Re: Al Gore must be pissed [Re: fin.] #114192
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I think we all just need to keep burning as much oil, imported oil preferably, as possible. There is no problem...the Saudi's love us! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Al Gore must be pissed [Re: waterbug_wpb] #114193
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And, in the news recently:
Numbers of Storms

Interesting Newsweek cover story this week as well.

Re: Al Gore must be pissed [Re: Keith] #114194
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How much money are my "carbon credits" worth for sailing a cat instead of burning about in a "stink boat"??

Re: Al Gore must be pissed [Re: Darryl_Barrett] #114195
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How does trying to raise awareness about the impending ecological disaster that will leave our kids a hellish, Venus-like planet qualify as self absorbed?

Re: Al Gore must be pissed [Re: Darryl_Barrett] #114196
08/10/07 10:23 PM
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How much money are my "carbon credits" worth for sailing a cat instead of burning about in a "stink boat"??


None. In fact, we probably owe some.

Our boats and sails are made of substances derived from fossil oil and its sinthesys release carbon (resins, paints, polyester, films, etc.), and others that require require heat from burning fossil fuels, also releasing carbon in the atmosphere (like metals, glass, carbon, etc.).

If you want to collect this type of credit, consider a wooden polynesian boat, built without nails, bolts or glue, with cotton sails and rigging. It is debited only for the trees cut to build it and for the natural fibers used.


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Re: Al Gore must be pissed [Re: Luiz] #114197
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You can't have a wooden boat. it would cost carbon credits to chop the trees down.
A fibreglass boat lasts wayyyy longer than any wooden one will so it is probably more enviromentally green.
You can swim...but don't fart for propulsion while you do while you do as that is methane and flatulence will cop a carbon tax.
Face it. Big buisiness has climbed on board with all of this crap because it has seen how to put the drip into us for more taxes and money.
When I was twelve...40 years ago I watched documentaries on pollution and was shocked but very pleased we had seen the problem and trusted fully that modern man would take the appropriate steps...HA!
Burn planet, burn! Why people worry I do not know..life has been wiped out to 10% several times..the planet is just fine. It is us that are in the S***

Re: Al Gore must be pissed [Re: warbird] #114198
08/11/07 12:04 AM
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Yeah, the planet will be fine, humans might face a little trouble and who knows maybe die but earth will go on... so I say built me some solid carbon sails with an all carbon boat and I will fart my way out of the harbor!


Once you go cat you never go back! Nacra 5.2 (Elsies)#1499, running an inter17 spin!
Re: Al Gore must be pissed [Re: waterbug_wpb] #114199
08/11/07 07:02 AM
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I dont' trust anyone who claims to have the answer in one neat bundle. The earth, it's weather, and it's environment is an extremely complex system that we don't understand. Things are warming up - that's pretty clear.

On a side note:
http://www.ifilm.com/video/2880841


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Plant trees in cheap land compensate [Re: Jake] #114200
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I guess nobody can claim to understand the planet, but we know that there is a limit to what we can burn, spend, use and waste, so we'd better start doing something to improve the situation.

Living in a country with cheap land available, I can always plant lots of trees.

This was one of the reasons why we started the first open capital cattle farm in the country, now with 16.000 Has (think of an area equivalent to 16 km X 10 km or 10 miles X 6 miles).

But I'm doing this for profit. Carbon credits trading in the local exchange is expected to start soon. And the primary goal is to profit from (related) land price appreciation, while keeping the cash flow positive with the cattle and reforestation.

When carbon credits start to trade, more and more people will buy land to plant trees. This will not solve all problems in the world, but will help. Also, together with increased demand for land to raise biofuel yielding crops, it will drive land prices up.


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Re: Al Gore must be pissed [Re: gree2056] #114201
08/11/07 01:52 PM
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Hey- WaterWorld anyone? Great trimaran sailing by Randy Smyth- even if some of the story's sailing was fakey.


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Re: Al Gore must be pissed [Re: waterbug_wpb] #114202
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Since the weather is foul and my mood is worse, here is some fuel for the fire.

CAUTION: Bad language follows.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/sto...cal_boondoggles

Re: Al Gore must be pissed [Re: fin.] #114203
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I am just waiting for the waterworld! I just need a little bigger boat!


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Re: Al Gore must be pissed [Re: waterbug_wpb] #114204
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Answer to the problem:
Electric cars, nuclear energy.

Re: Al Gore must be pissed [Re: PTP] #114205
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The best thing about a tree? What you do with it when you cut it down!

Re: Al Gore must be pissed [Re: Inter_Michael] #114206
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A must read on this subject is Michael Crichton's book "State of Fear."


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Re: Al Gore must be pissed [Re: RickWhite] #114207
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A must read on this subject is Michael Crichton's book "State of Fear."

yep. Although he writes a lot of pop fiction, he researches his books very thoroughly.

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