yes.... the ball is rolling again.... Long live "TEST"

And could someone please find that funny cartoon video about the earth and everyone shooting nuclear missles at each other? It was a long time ago, and I need a good laugh...

Yeah, i know... dead horse. "Test" part two... and like most sequels, never as good as the first. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I guess that's really my personal gripe. Let's have a real discussion. Don't just tell me (and the rest of the population), "Science has decided." Really? I didn't know it was being talked about and suddenly as quick as the debate has begun, it's over?

A huge problem with the "science" behind the "models" is that they don't even take water vapor into consideration b/c "it's not influenced by human actions". Making the models incomplete and over stating the role of CO2.

Additionally the IPCC was formed with it's sole function to prove global warming and to help a political cause in Britain. (During the coal miners strike of the 70's to give the government another "Pro" towards Nuke plants). Not to mention all of the breeches in science/research ethics. Think about the whole economy surrounding this issue. People are making a LOT of money on it. They HAVE to justify their jobs.

I'm not interested in some emotional argument anymore. Just science and facts. Most people argue and believe the way they do b/c so and so said so. I know most people are not engineers/scientifically minded, but at least educate yourself a little and make the decision that way. Don't be a sheep lead to the slaughter.

Watch "an inconvenient truth" watch "the great global warming swindle" and then decide. Both movies are done to persuade you towards their thinking, but... if you watch them both... and then decide, you made up your own mind. I have watched them both. Their was not much data in Al's movie and I felt as if he was very condescending. I had done my research prior to watching the GW swindle movie and it only solidified my feelings. Sadly though, much of the anti-GW information out there has as much propaganda in it as does the pro-GW stuff. Only problem is that the anti material gets a bad wrap b/c of it. Read the numbers do some study, decide for yourself.

The Optimist:

I have no friends, no family, no money, no food, no job, no credit, no luck, no hope, and no future.

However, I do have matches, toothpicks, chewing gum, paperclips, rubber bands, shoelaces and scotch tape.

Maybe things aren’t so bad after all.


George Carlin

In the world I see,
you’re stalking elk through the damp canyon forest around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You’ll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You’ll climb the vines that wrap the Sears tower, and when you look down you’ll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison in the empty carpool lane of some abandoned super highway.

Tyler Durden

Al Gore has always wanted to be a guru.
Suddenly he finds himself with a legion of toady LA types and doom sayers banging their drums and driving their Lexus hybrids...except the ones who are driving food eating deisels-damn the hungry, I am saving the planet. Some people think Al is fab and in his mind he has one hand on a Nobel prize. He must be wetting his pants.
Bush, the man who stole his presidency is the Worlds nasty joke and Al is the saviour of us all.
Sad fact is there is money in carbon credits and he finds himself leading the march.

Do you know what....if he was banging his drum as loudly about New Oleans and trying to bring US concience to face that deriliction of duty, he might have my admiration.

DemandDebate is a really cool site. Someone's got to keep academia honest. In the 9 or so years I've attended college, I've found that most courses in the social sciences/humanities amount to semester long indoctrination sessions on radical left-wing/communist/socialist propaganda. Math/science/engineering isn't so bad. That's great if that's what you want, but how about a little balance?

D.Ho

Well the good news is if the temps are rising.. Florida will be underwater.. Think of that wasted land mass that could be good sailing waters!! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
If the temps are not rising and the water levels stay the same.. Unfortunately we will have to find another way to sink Florida <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Hey, I get it!

In mid stalk, while wearing leather pants that smell like you've been wearing them all your life, you are suddenly seized by the agonizing pain of an abcessed tooth. You manage to crawl back to your vermin infested cave, where, days later, you die screaming in agony as the infection works its way from your jaw into your brain!

S-W-E-E-T! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

"If the temps are not rising and the water levels stay the same.. Unfortunately we will have to find another way to sink Florida"

The "sinking" is already in process...it is called "invasion from the North, South, East and West.

Regards,
Bob

I thought for a while we were sinking in Texas. The months of June and July were extremely wet with much below normal temperatures. During this time we normally have maybe a couple of inches of rain. I recorded over 20" in June and July alone. Almost half of our yearly average in slightly less than 2 months!

Today is different story though. 104 and nary a cloud in sight! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Man, I thought Oklahoma was sinking too, I swear it would not stop raining here. We had 26 days in a row which we had rain. We have already had more rain this year than all of last year.

All the ramps at the lakes were closed, which was nice for me because I never had to deal with power boats where I set up my boat.

Texas and Oklahoma talk of sinking because of rain...Florida is sinking from too many people moving here.

Regards,
Bob

big rain here.
Our area has had two "once in 150" year storms this year.
New Zealand has had about eight of these storms in the last five years...so that's great...no more really big storms for 150 years....what are you guys doing?
Chiina three months of non stop floods.
Britan flooding.....

I don't think there is any argumnet that weather is changing.
Is it industry related?? Who cares?
I do not believe for one second that anyone running around screaming carbon credits and electric cars are doing anything other than making money.
Once a weather cycle like this starts it is not going to stop because Hillary Duff runs her car on burger grease.

Don't buy houses near the beach. Don't buy houses on flood plains. Don't buy houses on hillsides. And just like the little pig don't make your house out of straw.
Have big drains and keep them clear and get a wet back..burner guys not worker and a little solar to help when the power is out. Have your own water tanks. Some golf cart batteries and you can just get on with it.

We have 18,000 gallons of water here. It can stay dry for over a year and we are sweet. The water is free....so is the sun. A little bit of boat tech on a sensible block of land is all it takes.
For a little investment you can be sure your computer, VHF, cell. GPS, and torchecs etc can remain charged no matter what happens to the power lines.
The damage in one of our storms was so bad the power was out for some people for ten days!

In 1983, we had one of the coldest winters anyone can remember here in NE Texas. Small lakes froze over with enough ice that one could skate on it. I have a photo of my wife standing on the middle of a family pond. Highly unusual! The very next summer was one of the hottest on record with almost 50 consecutive days over 100 degrees and no rainfall in that period. Go figure. I am still not totally convinced about global warming in that it is caused by man. There is no doubt the earth goes through cycles. Although that does not mean I don't think people should do their part to help the planet. I would love to see people drive more fuel efficient cars, recycle, and not water their yard every day. Just my 2Cs worth.

The weather is God's way of telling us we are not as "in control" as we like to think we are...LOL

Check this out....Seems their Data is flawed...
http://www.dailytech.com/Blogger+Finds+Y2K+Bug+in+NASA+Climate+Data/article8383.htm

Yesterday my local paper alluded to a study by NOAA, finding human activity is largely to blame for global warming.

Anybody know the details?

I'd check the fiction section at Barnes and Nobel.

I dunno, this doesn't read like fiction.

http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM2feb07.pdf

I read this today and afterwards couldn't stop thinking of Al Gore...

It started out innocently enough. I began to think at parties now and then -- just to loosen up. Inevitably, though, one thought led to another, and soon I was more than just a "social thinker"
I began to think alone -- "to relax," I told myself -- but I knew it wasn't true. Thinking became more and more important to me, and finally I was thinking all the time. That was when things began to sour at home.

One evening I turned off the TV and asked my wife about the meaning of life. She spent that night at her mother's. I began to think on the job. I knew that thinking and employment don't mix, but I couldn't help myself. I began to avoid friends at lunchtime so I could read Thoreau, Muir, Confucius and Kafka. I would return to the office dazed and confused, asking, "What is it exactly we are doing here?" One day the boss called me in. He said, "Listen, I like you, and it hurts me to say this, but your thinking has become a real problem. If you don't stop thinking on the job, you'll have to find another job. "This gave me a lot to think about. I came home early after my conversation with the boss. "Honey," I confessed, "I've been thinking..." "I know you've been thinking," she said, "and I
want a divorce!" "But honey, surely it's not that serious." "It is serious," she said, lower lip aquiver. "You think as much as much as professors and college professors don't make any money, so if you keep on thinking, we won't have any money!" "That's a faulty syllogism," I said impatiently. She exploded in tears of rage and frustration, but I was in no mood to deal with the emotional drama. "I'm going to the library," I snarled as I stomped out the door.

I headed for the library, in the mood for some Descartes. I roared into the parking lot and ran up to the big glass doors. They didn't open. The library was closed.

To this day, I believe that a Higher Power was looking out for me that night. Leaning on the unfeeling glass, whimpering for Pascal , a poster caught my eye:

"Friend, is heavy thinking ruining your life?" it asked.

You probably recognize that line. It comes from the standard Thinkers Anonymous poster. This is why I am what I am today: a recovering thinker. I never miss a TA meeting. At each meeting we watch a non-educational video; last week it was "Porky's." Then we share experiences about how we avoided thinking since the last meeting. I still have my job, and things are a lot better at home. Life just seemed...easier, somehow, as soon as I stopped thinking. I think the road to recovery is nearly complete for me.

Today I took the final step... I joined the Democratic Party.