Would the SNU be considered class legal on the Nacra 20? It looks really good, and we're going to have to change to midpole anyway...

It is not Nacra class legal.

And Nacra class legal would be relevant to the Performance Nationals once a year. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

It looks like a great idea!

Or your Portsmouth rating. Or your one-design class racing anywhere. Yeah, while my crew is cussing while trying to get our chute out of the stock system while they fly by, I'm not going to be OK with that. I would love nothing more than to build my own improved snuffer hoop, but it's not class legal.

Then get the class rules changed to allow a better system. Why sail with crap fittings if there are better out there ?

Portsmouth rating???


don't think so. It's not one of the parameters that gets a correction.

It's like upgrading your main sheet blocks or your autoratchets on your spin....

You change them because they give you better performance..

Portsmouth doesn't factor those because they are just insignficant in the noise of sailboat racing.

I disagree. At the bottom of the Portsmouth MH Modifications page there is a little zinger:

Any other deviations from standard class configurations, including the addition of wings, can be assessed a penalty of at least 0.995. Multiple deviations may incur multiple penalties. Penalties may be greater than 0.995.

These can be added at the discretion of the Race Committee. For example, I solo-sail a boat whose class rules require a crew of two. I get assessed the 0.995 hit as well as the L4 (under class-weight). Double wammy. Better kiss up to the RC.

Why do you get hit with both corrections?

Because they can.

It's what they do...mindless penalizing machines.

Here's our race committee, with me in her right hand, a non-class snuffer in her left, and a slightly modified Hobie 16 in the background.
(Just a little joke, LJ, just a joke <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />)

I'm sorry I still don't understand. You are being hit with two different corrections for the same infraction of the class rules? Either you have won too many trophies in the past or the group is suffering from mindless application of correction factors. Time to become the scorer perhaps?

no one in their right mind is going to take a .995 hit for changing a SNUFFER..good grief.!

You don't understand...

The SNU snuffer is so good... that this RC feels that they should give it a .010 Hit...

Times have changed...

Portsmouth attempted to support the SMOD rules by adding the 0.005 hit for any changes. Back in the day... pre formula classes... this made some sense.

Now... the N20 is racing against A cats, F16's and F18's and Tornado's (essentially formula with respect to these issues). The enforcement of the SMOD rule in portsmouth is archaic and unfair in this reguard.


Likewise... the P19 MX class is dead (if it ever existed) why pretend their are class rules to enforce? I doubt anyone has a copy (if they were ever written down in the first place so how would you know?)

Chris,

Sounds like you need to take a double hit for single handing during last nights race. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

YES! In fact, the most recent sailing instructions handed out pre-race specifically spell out the double hit. The RC take is that
1) I am light weight as a solo and
2) I violated class rules by not having 2 aboard.
Both requirements ARE on the class rules page.

As for changing the snuffer, you might look at the specific precedent that exists for style changes from class equipment in the MN rule. You take a Portsmouth penalty "For non-class legal mainsail, of same sail area or less than class legal mainsail...". For the snuffer, the rule says, "Any other deviations from standard class configurations...can be assessed a penalty of at least 0.995." Where should it stop? Remember too, it also says, "Multiple deviations may incur multiple penalties. Penalties may be greater than 0.995." If you piss of the RC they could really screw you!

Most of this stems from our ex-commodore being pissed off by losing his sacred Portsmouth plum of calling his solo-sloop Dart 18 a "uni with added jib" and thus avoiding any modification penalty for sailing solo. The new tables say that if your class rules don't have a minimum crew weight then you must take the L4 hit if you sail solo. Blaming me for getting the rule changed, the payback is this trivial penalty assessment for the other solo sailors who readily take their L4 lightweight penalty but now must have their noses tweaked with the extra 0.995. We don't care, they can't take away our fun, as much as they might want to. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Let's close this awful tangent and get back to that WAY COOL SNU snuffer! I gotta get me some o' that!

done

Look, ultimately the RC has the say in what your portsmouth rating is. If you have made modifications that make your boat faster than the stock rating, your rating should go down. Surely you guys agree with that? What you are suggesting is that you should be able to play outside of the spirit of the rule.

No, I don't think a non-class-legal snuffer should take a .95 hit, but personally, I would not be pleased if I was one of five N20's to show up and a competitive boat in the fleet had several non class legal modifications without penalty.

I def. agree with Jake on this one.

Can I hear an AMEN for formula class racing????!!!

Amen !

Wouter

Chris you do realize that I was kidding. We've never followed that line of thinking in the past and we can't suddenly start doing it in the middle of a series. Next year could be a different story though. Something to think about.