I noticed while ferreting around in the back blocks of the S.Aust. Mozzie website that the first round of the S.A. state titles are being held on the 24th & 25th Nov, 2007 at Lake Bonney. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> Why doesn't the S.A. website have a calander of events and regattas??

1) How are the water levels at Lake Bonney?

2) I noticed in the notice of race that only MCASA members are eligible to enter. Can interstaters come and play too?

3) If interstaters can play, my crews are only 6 & 8, which is clearly under the 12 year old age limit and they don't hold any sailing qualifications. How would this affect an entry and eligibility to sail.

4) Is it only the Mozzies sailing at Lake Bonney that weekend?

I only ask because I'm may be free that weekend and may decide to the make the 6 hour drive for a sail. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> It however would be a big waste of time if I'm not permitted to enter or sail. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Hope to have the boat finished by then too. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Col,

For the question about water......yes there is water....and maybe one of the guys from home can answer the question abou others sailing that weekend

As for the rest of the questions, well I can't answer that

I am sure that the more players the better as one of the NSW guys has made enquiries to me about heading that way to sail too...and I sure did not realize that SA States were open only to SA members,....but then I won't be there anyway.

Guess it is time that things there moved along...and I for one believe that State titles or not then they should be open to all comers just not those protecting their little patch.

Look forward to hearing the answer on this one..

David
"Banh Sidhe"

Hi Col

Where did you see a 12 year old age limit? That's the first I've heard of that.

Why doesn't the S.A. website have a calander of events and regattas??

Not usually necessary as we dont have that many events and have a mailing list, sacatamarans@yahoogroups.com.au, Yachting Sa website (and book) and the Vic Mozzy website as well. The big events also go out in the Mozzy newsletter which is on the SA Mozzy site and mailed to members.

1) How are the water levels at Lake Bonney?

Only recently cut off from the Murray, should not have lost much water.

2) I noticed in the notice of race that only MCASA members are eligible to enter. Can interstaters come and play too?

Cannot see this being a problem, I will chase it up today. We sail a split states and the second round is at Victor Harbour on 9/10th Feb.

3) If interstaters can play, my crews are only 6 & 8, which is clearly under the 12 year old age limit and they don't hold any sailing qualifications. How would this affect an entry and eligibility to sail.

That is going to be a problem, it is a strange rule that allows waif like 12 year olds but prevents a Dad taking his kids around the course, not the intention of the rule I think.

4) Is it only the Mozzies sailing at Lake Bonney that weekend?

Looks like it, should get a good SA Mozzy fleet, 12 boats is a conservative guess.



You will be sailing, we are about increasing numbers, not turning sailors away.

I hope you get your boat finished, would like to do some tuning up as we have the same platform.

Darryn
1782

3. ELIGIBILITY
All competitors shall be financial members of the MCASA to qualify for nomination at a
State Heat or resail of a State Heat. A proxy Mk II crew is allowed providing that a regular
crew is financial and permission is sought from the Sailing Committee prior to each heat via
a written request. Only financial crew are eligible to receive prizes.
All skippers shall be aged 12 years or older at the time of racing.

All crews shall be aged 12 years or older at the time of racing unless they have successfully
completed the "Australian Yachting Federation National Proficiency Scheme - Introductory
Certificate" (TL 1) and can produce their AYF TL 1 certificate at time of registration.

I copied this from the NOR contained in the newsletter, link below. I have heard some rumours about why it is in there but dont know the facts, was before my time sailing Mosquitos.

http://www.mossie.net/newsletter/september2007.pdf

Darryn
1782

Just got an email telling me there is an association meeting next week, and they are going to discuss it then.

Darryn
1782

Col,

If you are looking for a crew and who is a member of the SA assoc....I can lend you (read lend) my usual crew as I will not be home until the week after ...just the way this course has fallen but has to suck.

As for the rest, calendars etc, I have over many many years suggested that they not only have a program of some sort but traveller series and it all seems to fall on deaf ears.

This was the first time that I have heard of this forum for the SA program and maybe even that needs to be published somewhere for ALL to share in..

Col, if you do want my crew....drop me a line off line and will arrange it for you, she is more than capable.

ohhh and yes the club normal program unless that has been changed....it is still programmed that weekend,

Enjoy.

David
"Banh Sidhe"

Thanks David and Darryn.

I asked about the calander because my parents live in S.A. and my sister lives in Mildura so combining a regatta with a visit is quite on the cards and non MCASA people do not know when events are on in S.A. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

It'd be good to do a bit of tuning up with you Darryn (at least for a few seconds until you disappear into the distance and leave me behind) <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Thank you David for the offer of a "lend" of your crew. However at the moment the trip is far from confirmed. The domestic manager has not been approached concerning the viability of such a trip or else a leave pass to attend has not yet been negotiated (and paid for <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />). I'll contact you by PM closer to the date when I know what's happening from this end.

I'd like to have a sail on the new boat against some other mozzies to see how she compares and I can't get to the Loch Sport weekend as I'm working <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />.

If you could keep me informed as to what transpires at the meeting Darryn, it'd be appreciated. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Thanks

To all concerned yes there is still water at Lake Bonney (and will be for the next 5 years at least) so there will be sufficient water come 2 weeks time for our SA States.

Yes the lake has been blocked off but the media are obviously forgetting to mention we stil do have water, its not like they can pull the plug and drain it!

As to the comment about other boats sailing- this will depend on club numbers to organise and run a great Lake Bonney regatta.

I asked the president of the association yesterday, you have two options.

1. Pay $60 and join MCASA which will cover racing fees for both rounds of state titles and give you a result in our states.

2. Pay LBYC safety fee for each race and sail with us. Your results wont be counted towards SA state title. MCASA crew requirements should not be applicable.

Darryn
1782

I asked about the history off this rule and found out it was introduced 13 years ago after one of the competitors sailed in the states with an 8 year old crew (daughter).

You wont be able to race in the states with your underage crew, one of the locals also cannot compete as his crew is 11.

While it is inconvenient in this circumstance I actually agree with the training requirement for underage crew. An untrained 6 years old who falls off the boat on a big lake or ocean is going to be terrified, at least if they have done the course they will know their life jacket supports them and how to get back on the boat. My kids have done the basic course and enjoyed it, they now jump off the boat and expect me to come back for them <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Darryn
1782

All,

Now that this conversation has been started maybe it is worthwhile looking at these rules again.

The age one, arguments for both sides and I for one have no problem with crews age if they have done an approved Yachting Aust course and hold the due accrediation (old TL1)


As for the other...well, my thoughts are if someone is prepared to travel to where ever the racing is being held and is good enough to win then so be it...I have strong thoughts on protecting one's own patch, it is not conducive to good competition nor helping others to get up to speed....SA let's re-visit this one ....if not for yourselves for the benefit of the class.

David
"Banh Sidhe"

Should only cost $25, same amount we pay to sail them and I dont know why they have to join our association.

Darryn
1782

Thanks again Darryn and David,

How can I join the S.A. Mozzie Association? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I am a resident of Victoria and a member of the Victorian Mozzie Association. Even if I did a Steven BRADBURY and won the S.A. States, I wouldn't expect to win the championship as I am not a South Australian. I would however hope that I could race and have my race scores maintained along with the rest of the fleet. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I don't know whether I can make the second weekend in February, anyway.

Darryn did you have to join the Victorian Mozzie Association to sail in our states? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

I understand the safety side of things in sailing with junior crews. However is it just a shift in liablity to say that you can't race in the S.A. States with a crew under 12 but you can race in the same races if you pay the club fees but the results wont count? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

During the Victorian State Titles, I sailed with probably the most competent crew I have ever sailed with and he was 10 at the time. I don't know whether he has any qualifications or not. He certainly knew more about sailing a Mozzie Mk2 than me. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> If Victoria had adopted the 12 year age limit and he didn't have qualifications he wouldn't have been able to race to spite his competency. I don't have any sailing qualifications either and I started sailing when I was 9. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

You would hope that the master of the vessel would put the safety of his crew as the number 1 priority and would not be sailing in conditions that would adversely affect the crews safety and wellbeing. However I do understand the necessity to legislate if you have a foolish person/s who continually behaves in an unsafe manner. The problem with legislating is that the people who do the right thing are adversely affected also.

Not meaning to stir up a hornets nest just voicing some things that confuse me and interested to hear what others think.

Hi All

Just as an outside view, if I were a member of the V.M.C.A, I would also be a member of the National body, which would allow me to take part in the Australian Titles, I would assume that to be enough to sail in any State Titles. However if that were not the case, I could probably understand or accept, say a $10-$15 associate membership fee, but I don't think I would attend with a $60 membership to sail other states titles.

We have insurance that allows us sail all Australian waters, we would have membership afiliation to the AYF or whatever its called now, so I would assume it be enough.

Regards

I didn't have to join the Vic Mosquito Association to sail in their states and the Victorians could not have done more to encourage me to race.

I dont think it is a shift in liability issue, it is more to do with stopping one local from using young crews. I dont agree with it. I have done some research and the cut off for some clubs is 8 years old untrained crew or hold a YA Basic skills certificate. Seems about right to me.

I think the fastest sailor should win the states regardless of where they are from.

All this discussion on the forum isn't going to solve the immediate problem. Can I suggest that you phone Phil and ask him yourself about sailing in our states?
http://www.mossie.net/committee/Committee%20list%202006.pdf
I am relaying info from the association to the forum that I dont agree with, as far as I am concerned all are welcome.

Darryn
1782

Sorry Darryn, I didn't mean for you and David to end up as the meat in the sandwich over this, however the two of you seem to be the only S.A.'s who are willing to provide any information as to how things stand in your state.

I thank you for providing the information for us even though you do not agree with it personally.

Perhaps the S.A. president would like to come on the forum and discuss these matters?? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Anyway Darryn hope to see you on the water soon. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Ive noticed that not many SA sailors want to interact with the rest of the states unless its at the nationals, No offence Darryn, David and Peter.
Sorry for the Highjack Colin.

Col,

As far as I am concerned I don't mind being the 'meat in the sandwich' in this issue...it is a bizarre ruling on both fronts and I am afraid that if changing rules is the way to protect your own little patch and in the other case stop someone from winning then I am afraid that it is time some of them went and did an engineering course in bridge building....and got over it.

The solution is easy...I will send you a membership form, give you my home address to use....that way you have a SA address...and as previously said a financial crew....all too easy but should not be that way.

As I have previously said, if someone from interstate is prepared to travel race and win, then we should welcome them with open arms and wish them all the best...it is the way a class develops and improves and seen by ALL to be friendly.

Maybe this is the reason I used to join with the victorians each and everytime I came down from Darwin to regattas....they welcomed the NT boats.

It is in my mind way past the time this rules was rescinded and put where it belongs.....in the bin.

My thoughts for what they are worth.......and I too notice that other than Darryn and Peter comments have been thin from the SA boats, guess it will get discussed at the next committee meeting as peter is on it......time will tell.

David
"Banh Sidhe"
c

As what David said if interstate sailors want to ravel wish them luck and go out racing.
We had Peter Nikitin com to our state titles (NSW) and with some discussion and thought, I thought to my self he's made the effort if he wins, he wins. At the end of the day he won and competition was good and he was congratulated by all the nsw mossie sailors plus every one from the KCC club.
What makes SA SPECIAL?

Hi All,

We had our committe meeting last night, and discussed the topics mentioned above.

Our aim is to get as many boats on the water as possible, and we would certainly encourage any interstate boats interested in sailing to come over.

The view coming out of the meeting last night, is that provided you are a member of an affiliated mosquito state association, then you are eligible to compete. You do not need to join the MCASA.

The cost is $10 per race sailed.

On the matter of the age limit, this remains. We feel that due to the conditions that we sail in, we must demonstrate a duty of care. If your crew is underage, all they require is a TL1 or equivalent, which is just a basic skills certificate. I am told it is easy to get.

Might I also add that it was only by chance that I read this post, and that no one on the committe was aware of what was being discussed. Can I suggest that if you have any questions or concerns that you submit it to the association. This way there will be no "hear say" and hopefully get an answer in a quicker time frame.

Hope this helps,

Cheers,

Simon

Simon,

Let me be one of the first to say.....good call.

I have no issue with the TL1 quals and understand the duty of care...if anyone has queries regarding TL1 or basic ..give you local state yachting authority a call or drop me a line...somewhere in amongst my quals is a Sailing Instructor/Master.

From here on......lets go sailing...

David
"Banh Sidhe"

Simon, the email I sent 8 days ago is below along with your reply, I talked to Phil also on Saturday about this and posted the info he gave me.

Welcome to the forum.

Darryn
1782

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Hi Simon, some interest from Interstate sailors in our states.



How can they enter if they aren&#146;t members of Sa Mozzy association? Seems like a waste of money for them to join our association and then pay for the states if they are already a member of Vic or NSW. I only had to pay for the states when I sailed in the Vic states, what do you think?



http://www.catsailor.com/forums/showflat...SID=#Post123583



The link to the thread on catsailor,



Darryn

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From Simon Hallsworth
Subject Re: Sa States Wed 7/11

Hi Darryn,

Will bring it up at the meeting next week.

Cheers,

Simon

Catch ya Sat - 1.30 start.

G'day Simon,

Thank you for the information.

My crew has done a bunk and will not be coming anyway so the age issue is not a problem.

I chose the Mozzie Forum to ask these question rather than direct contact because I may not be the only person with these questions and in the forum all can read the information. I also feel this is the most appropriate medium for these types of discussions. However I did not count on the fact that the S.A. Mozzie Association commitee members did not know of the existance of the forum. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Oh well, Glad I could make the introduction. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Welcome to the forum. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Good sailing. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Col,

Either way the end result has been, I hope, good for all..and we can move forward....albeit slowly.

The number of people who have read this particular post and the number of replies shows the interest in this subject....damn good call to put it up.

See you in Warrnambool, unless you are working.

David
"Banh Sidhe"

G'day David,

Yep, good result. Now lets get on with what all this is about: SAILING. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

The leave roster is not out for next year yet, You know how it works. The chances of getting the leave you request is inversely proportional to the amount of pressure you put on your supervisor. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

If I don't get leave, I'll arrange a couple of days off and drop in for a visit. Look forward to seeing you there. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

has anyone got any results?????
my out-laws arrived from england 7.30 sunday morning so i couldnt go. it would have been frowned upon by the cook anyway.

Brian,

Agreed, would be nice to see and be told the full results from the weekend.....not all of us were able to be there.

I do know the young guys from Barmera did well tho'.

It is time the State committee got it together and passed information on to ALL of us....come on guys, there is nothing on the web site either...so lets pass on the info, update the web site and share what you know, it is now Tuesday.

David
"Banh Sidhe"

G'day David,

Thank you for the "loan" of your crew on the weekend. I think she enjoyed the weekend's sailing, I certainly did. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

We had 4 Victorian invaders <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> at the South Australian States. Gary J & Tim from Lake Boga and Peter N from Loch Sport sailing cat and myself sailing sloop.

On speaking to them, they all enjoyed the weekend. Thanks to the S.A.'s for letting us come and play. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Competition was good and racing close on the weekend with the front positions in both Cats and Sloops changing race to race. Wind for the racing was up to about 12 knots and varying in direction but mostly from the southerly directions.

I don't have the official results but on dead reckoning I believe that Beau is leading the Cats and Peter D is leading the Sloops after the weekend's racing. As for other positions I wouldn't have a clue.

Thank's to Lake Bonney for their hosipitality and another great weekend. Well done guys. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Hi David,
I do not have results for the last weekend at Barmera but I do have some photos which I have put onto the SA website www.mossie.net /Photo Gallery/State Titles November 2007 Lake Bonney.If I had not been working up country all week they would have been up sooner,
Cheers,
Roy
Aquarius
1770

Shame about the age limit - hiding behind Duty of Care is a bit of a farce - no problems in other classes, only perceived for Mossies

Just a reminder for anyone who's interested the 2nd half of the South Australian State Titles are being held on the 9th and 10th February, 2008 at Victor Harbour.

I cant make it but I hope those who do have a great time. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Hey,

Any reports, results or links to the 2nd half of the Sth Australian state titles ? Nothing on the Sth Aust website yet but I'm probably too early.

Regards,

Peter

Overall the results I remember were,

Mk1's

Me,
Beau Delaine
Mark Pfennig

Mk2s

Simon Hallsworth and Sarah Martin

The other Mk2 positions I am not entirely sure of so I will wait until they appear online.

We had 10 to 15 knots with a moderate waves on Saturday, two 60 minute races back to back. A good feature of the course was the gybe mark position making for a fast second reach with bearaways down some big waves, everyone I spoke to after the race mentioned the screaming reach.

Sunday we had 15 to 20knots with the waves at around 2 metres, unfortunately the beach break was a killer and Steve Thomas on Just do It was hit by another boat in the surf and sustained considerable damage ending his day on the water. Out on the course the crashes continued with Beau and myself having a low speed prestart crunch but not enough damage to stop us racing. I got away a bit at the start and managed to hold that lead to the finish. The second reach was very quick again with the bigger waves making it even better, watching how hard Beau pushed his boat on those reaches was impressive and he finished second with Mark Pfennig third.

Victor Harbour Yacht Club again showed they know how to set a cat course that takes full advantage of their wild patch of water and it was obvious after racing that the Mozzy sailors had enjoyed it.

Darryn
1782

Found these photos while looking for the race times, they where taken on Saturday when we had two races back to back. A few good Mozzy pics,

http://www.vhyc.org.au/Pictures/Web_Albums/0708/090208/index.html

Darryn
1782

All,

Guess I like others would like to see the full results from the states too as I am away interstate again.....surely someone who was there (committee) would put the results up for ALL

I do knw that Simon Hallsworth won the Mk2's with Peter Dunk second.....other than that, no idea.

Come on guys, not all of us were there but we all would like to see the results.

DKD

Congratulation Darryn Mk1 & Simon & Sarah Mk2. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Looks like Simon finally got the conditions he liked on the Sunday and looks like most had a great ride throughout the weekend. Disappointed I missed it. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Looking forward seeing the results.

The results for the South Oz States from Barmera and Victor are on the sa website,
.........
Aquarius
1770
Roy