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Logos Sail and Hull Vendor? Price estimate? #123728
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Looking for cost for some giant letters down the Main Sail and on the Hull for a sponsor. Anyone have experience with this? Cost for 6 giant letters down a main sail and hulls? Recommend a vendor for this?
Is this allowed in most races and championships to display a sponsor logo on the vessel? Something similar to this, see attach

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Re: Logos Sail and Hull Vendor? Price estimate? [Re: Mappy] #123729
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Don't know about sails, but my logo costs me about $500 six years ago. Vinyl cutout from a sign shop.

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Re: Logos Sail and Hull Vendor? Price estimate? [Re: Mappy] #123730
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There are two of us on this board that do vinyl work like this. Robi has equipment that is a little better suited for doing super large letters like that...Here is our Tybee boat:

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For a series of super large letters about 12' tall like in your picture (mainsail only), you are looking at something around $200 to $300 before application. With application, you're probably looking at around $400. These are pretty tricky to apply smoothly to a fabric/mylar surface but they do hold up extremely well. If I were to do an entire main and jib like this one the total would be around $1000 - largely due to the number of different colors involved.


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Jake,

Have you seen the supplied sails for the Gold Fleet at the Hobie 16 Europeans? Do you know how they did that, and can that be done here?

Mike

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Thanks for the info Jake. Can you carify to me what you mean by application? Is that just the labor of putting the decals on?

Re: Logos Sail and Hull Vendor? Price estimate? [Re: brucat] #123733
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Have you seen the supplied sails for the Gold Fleet at the Hobie 16 Europeans? Do you know how they did that, and can that be done here?

Mike


Do you have a picture?

Application? Yes, that's putting them on.


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Have you seen the supplied sails for the Gold Fleet at the Hobie 16 Europeans? Do you know how they did that, and can that be done here?

Mike


Do you have a picture?


Here: http://hobieracing.dk/ehca/main.php?g2_itemId=1278

I'm not sure it's vinyl.

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not sure. I can cut rolls of the sticky-back dacron material for dacron sails (the same stuff the numbers are made from)...but that looks printed. They may have actually printed directly on the sails using the new die sublimation process.


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They may have actually printed directly on the sails using the new die sublimation process.


Looks cool + sounds fancy/complicated/technical = CA-CHING!!! $$$$$$$$$$$

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Me applying them for Team Velocity Sailing
http://members.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=wildergfx

How to apply:
http://www.wildergfx.com/instructions.html

Ive been doing sail numbers, sponsors and general graphics for quite some time now. My turnaround rate is usually 24 hours.

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Robi,

Can you cast your opinion on this image, could you do anything with it to create a vinyl ?

Is there software out there that could remove the colour ?

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I do have permission from the artist to use it <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> (Lynne Munsinger)


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Re: Logos Sail and Hull Vendor? Price estimate? [Re: scooby_simon] #123739
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Heh, that image would have to be vectorized and you are looking at over 10+ hours of vectorizing work in order for it to look good and the details wont get lost.

Now it would be better off printed and it must be submitted in a tif format.

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yeah, you're much better of printing that. Things like that can be vectorized but it will require a considerably larger file for the software to do it's thing well. Otherwise, like Robi said - a lot of manual work there. Here's a first sweep with some vectorizing software reducing it to 5 colors.


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I do have cut/print capability and can print a full color decal of that at about 10" tall by about 42" long and contour cut around it...but again, need a higher resolution graphic. That one is good for about a 6" long print.

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The lad mentioned removing the color. Why not decrease color depth to 2? That will leave you with a line drawing.

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this?

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Not really what I meant.
I used Paintshop pro at home and reduced it to 2 colors (Black and white).
A couple of the numbers disappeared but what was left was a line drawing (No fills or shading). I can attach my attempt this evening.

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Not really what I meant.
I used Paintshop pro at home and reduced it to 2 colors (Black and white).
A couple of the numbers disappeared but what was left was a line drawing (No fills or shading). I can attach my attempt this evening.


Yes please <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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This is what I was talkin about.
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This is what I was talkin about.


Thanks,

Robi, would it be even sensible to try and get this cut ?

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No, reason is look at the minor details, specifically the hairs. All the lines and figures involved to make out those details will cause the machine to damage the vinyl.

Also another thing that would make this image extremely hard is the weeding process which is the process of removing the vinyl that is not needed (in your case, whatever is black will actually be the vinyl, the white parts is no vinyl)

Another thing is the image still have to be vectorized, again either re-drawing or tracing. Tracing wont yield good results due to the amount of minor details and redrawing will take up a lot of time.

Simply this drawing was not designed or created with the intention of cutting it into vinyl. This is the reason why some graphics just cannot be done. Perfect example.

Your best bet is to get it printed, laminated and contour cut. The image will have to be converted into a TIF file format.

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