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Re: 1st weta tri's getting rave reviews [Re: Wouter] #131582
02/16/08 07:51 AM
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I'm surprised there is no bow sprit, at least not from what I can see in some of the pictures. Still, it looks fast and stable.

OK, what's it cost?? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Those two ama's remind me of the Inter 20 hulls, I was thinking about buying an older I20, building a center hull and beams, then using all the sails, mast, etc. from the I-20 on the "new" trimaran, and if possible, leave as much of the I-20 stuff un-altered, so you could take it apart to use it as a cat again if you wanted, or as a tri when you wanted to take the whole family out.

Remember that old Dick Newick designed tri, which used the Hobie 16 hulls as amas, but use Inter 20 hulls instead. I think it could be done for the price of the used I-20 ($8,000) plus what you are willing to spend on the center hull build, and the beams to hold it all together.

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Re: 1st weta tri's getting rave reviews [Re: Timbo] #131583
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http://www.multi23.com/eng/Inventory.html

If I'm reading this right, looks like about 20k euros for the basic platform.

Re: 1st weta tri's getting rave reviews [Re: Timbo] #131584
02/16/08 09:16 AM
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I'm surprised there is no bow sprit, at least not from what I can see in some of the pictures. Still, it looks fast and stable.

OK, what's it cost?? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Those two ama's remind me of the Inter 20 hulls, I was thinking about buying an older I20, building a center hull and beams, then using all the sails, mast, etc. from the I-20 on the "new" trimaran, and if possible, leave as much of the I-20 stuff un-altered, so you could take it apart to use it as a cat again if you wanted, or as a tri when you wanted to take the whole family out.

Remember that old Dick Newick designed tri, which used the Hobie 16 hulls as amas, but use Inter 20 hulls instead. I think it could be done for the price of the used I-20 ($8,000) plus what you are willing to spend on the center hull build, and the beams to hold it all together.


The Tremelino - still out there, there's been some threads on SA regarding it.

Try looking for stuff on the Reynolds 28 - before he went with the cat design they were going to make a 28 foot tri based on I-20 hulls as the amas. Had his own folding mechanism and the whole bit. In the end I think it was too much boat for the I-20 hulls. Scale it back a bit, you might have something...

There's also something out there now called the Predator, which uses your supplied cat hulls for amas.

Re: 1st weta tri's getting rave reviews [Re: Timbo] #131585
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Re: 1st weta tri's getting rave reviews [Re: ksurfer2] #131586
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Someone was talking about designer Derek Kelsall on the F12 Forum recently. Derek had a trimaran design about 30 years ago, using Tornado hulls. I think that it was called a Typhoon <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

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Re: 1st weta tri's getting rave reviews [Re: Dermot] #131587
02/16/08 12:35 PM
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I recently saw a Tremelino for sale that had Hobie 18 hulls retrofitted for the ama's. Great idea! Now you can really drive her hard.

Also saw this 21 foot Tri on EBay, currently $600, in St. James City FL.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Trimaran_...sspagenameZWDVW


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Re: 1st weta tri's getting rave reviews [Re: Timbo] #131588
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I'm surprised there is no bow sprit, at least not from what I can see in some of the pictures. Still, it looks fast and stable.

OK, what's it cost?? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Those two ama's remind me of the Inter 20 hulls, I was thinking about buying an older I20, building a center hull and beams, then using all the sails, mast, etc. from the I-20 on the "new" trimaran, and if possible, leave as much of the I-20 stuff un-altered, so you could take it apart to use it as a cat again if you wanted, or as a tri when you wanted to take the whole family out.

Remember that old Dick Newick designed tri, which used the Hobie 16 hulls as amas, but use Inter 20 hulls instead. I think it could be done for the price of the used I-20 ($8,000) plus what you are willing to spend on the center hull build, and the beams to hold it all together.



Here you go--Nacra Hulls in Destin FL

http://pensacola.craigslist.org/boa/564124339.html


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Re: 1st weta tri's getting rave reviews [Re: FasterDamnit] #131589
02/16/08 09:10 PM
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Which is it, 5.5 or 6.0 hulls? I really wanted the Inter 20 hulls because of the huge volume in the bows, to avoid the kind of pitch-polling some tri's are famous for. I had a 5.5 and did like it but the bows were narrow, with the extra wt. of a center hull, they would go under easily.

Good project for someone though!

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Re: 1st weta tri's getting rave reviews [Re: Dermot] #131590
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Mike has a couple of computer models of a beachcat based tri using a Nacra 6.0 or similar and a center hull based on his L7 trimaran float pan--itself pulled from a beachcat mould. I know the L7 Yahoo group has some ideas in the photos section. Using a spin cat with a central hull to make it a tri holds appeal as it is like two boats for the price of one. Beachcat for racing and tri for family. I just bought a H 18 in November and would love to do something like that, although it might not be the optimal platform. However, that didn't stop Newick from designing the Tremolino which were built in the hundreds with the tiny H16 amas. Something similar would be fun with a more modern look.

Dan

Re: 1st weta tri's getting rave reviews [Re: dstgean] #131591
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Who is "Mike" and where are these L7 plans?


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Re: 1st weta tri's getting rave reviews [Re: Timbo] #131592
02/17/08 05:38 PM
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Who is "Mike" and where are these L7 plans?


Micheal Leneman, of MultiMarine fame. The L7 is a tri kit, the design of the amas were based off the N6.0 hulls. Mike has a history of making Corsairs go faster, has some neat ideas on other things as well.

Check out Multi Marine and go to the L7 link

Re: 1st weta tri's getting rave reviews [Re: Redtwin] #131593
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In the videos it looks very "pitchy". Without a trap it looks impossible to get far enough back with the kite up.

That was my impression too. I also wondered about righting from a turtle position, as that also looked like it might be more frequent. Additionally,I wondered what was the recommended action when entering a Pitch...blow the tack and round up?? Bear off??...One would think that with the kite up you would bear off, but to me it looks like you will be going butt over tea-kettle every time trouble starts. Worth a ride and the price is right, though!


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Re: 1st weta tri's getting rave reviews [Re: Keith] #131594
02/18/08 12:08 AM
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Thanks Keith,

I wasn't so clear there, but I thought it had been mentioned earlier in the thread. The Multi 23 looks like a sweet ride. If Mike makes it to the Texas 200, I might beg a ride. Alternately, I can make it out to the Left coast to visit my folks and check it out then.

Dan

Re: 1st weta tri's getting rave reviews [Re: Keith] #131595
02/18/08 09:41 AM
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Too bad there wasn't more info on the Multi23 on their web page. Looks interesting. Anyone want to guess what the portsmouth # is?

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