this is a copy of the minutes taken at the last nationals. please read carefully and don't shoot the messenger


OTHER BUSINESS
5.1 Motion to increase the minimum class weight for cat rigged Taipans from 97kg to 100kg
SPEAKING FOR – Greg Goodall
The purposes for having a minimum class weight are to:
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Meet an achievable building weight
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Promote even class racing. The majority of boats are at or near 100kg.
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Building manufacturer indicated that the hull weight will not decrease.
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Equality in racing requires a higher minimum weight.
SPEAKING AGAINST – Paul Freeman
Many boats have been built to meet the current class weight. Many boat owners make an effort to keep their boats at or below minimum weight. The fact that the first few boats from a new builder have not reduced below the set minimum weight does not create a need to change.
Amendment moved by James MacDonald to also increase the sloop rigged minimum weight, from 102kg to 104kg. Increasing the minimum weight will help to keep all boats competitive.
SPEAKING AGAINST – Sam Breaden
This is a significant increase and 4.9 sloop boats are currently at or near the minimum weight.
SPEAKING FOR – Andrew Chaney
One design racing is the spirit of the class. If increasing the minimum boat weight enhances this spirit then the change should occur.
Vote: In favour of motion to increase both cat (3kg increase) and sloop (2kg increase) minimum weight: 12 FOR, 14 AGAINST. Motion NOT carried.
Les Porter moved original motion to increase cat rigged minimum weight from 97kg to 100kg: 14 FOR, 9 AGAINST.
***Motion carried subject to confirmation of the constitution.***
5.2 Motion to separate the Capricorn class from TCAA. A statement was read by the chairperson on behalf of Andrew Williams. Main argument was that Capricorn sailors can potentially take advantage of financial situation which was established by Taipan sailors.
SPEAKING AGAINST – Matt Homan
There is potential financial advantage to be gained through including the Capricorn. More boats on the water together mean better regattas and shows strength in the classes and the association.
SPEAKING FOR – Roger Claydon
The biggest threats to the Taipan class are the Capricorn and Viper, so we shouldn’t include them in our association.
SPEAKING AGAINST – Greg Goodall
Separating the classes creates an administrative nightmare as another association would need to be created. “If if aint broke, don’t fix it”.
Vote: 1 FOR, 25 AGAINST
5.3 Motion to make state titles run under TCAA championship rules (Andrew Williams).
SPEAKING AGAINST – Mark Braithwaite
Clubs cannot be expected to run 100% to our championship rules. We can still do our best to run events using the TCAA championship rules, but it is not practical to assume we can always run to these rules given that state titles are often held in conjunction with other classes and regional regattas.
Vote: 1 FOR, 19 against.
5.4 Proposal by Ken Marsh that all newly registered boats must carry the standard superwing (sloop) mast.
SPEAKING FOR – Greg Goodall
This would standardise the boat and give even class racing in the cat rigged fleet.
SPEAKING AGAINST – Paul Freeman
People currently sailing with the lighter mast section would be penalised by this proposed change.
SPEAKING FOR – Andrew Chaney
Strength of class is one design. This should be resolved so that the boat remains one design.
SPEAKING AGAINST – Roger Claydon
The new larger square top sail is expected to make this argument irrelevant as the lighter mast will not cope with the big head sail. The lighter mast is likely to die a natural death anyway.
Vote: 17 FOR, 5 AGAINST
MOTION CARRIED - all newly registered boats must carry the standard superwing (sloop) mast.
Les porter

Interesting reading but it is not an F16 issue in my opinion. I think it would be bad form to discuss their internal matters except as a reference. I dont see much in the minutes which have not discussed at tiresome length in the other threads lately.

I know that but in the other threads people asked what was happening just passing on the message to those whom don't have access to the Taipan info.

Why is this in the F16 forum?

This is another example of why we are beginning to need a moderated forum - in the normal course of things this post would have been deleted or at the very least locked. It shouldn't be in the F16 forum.

I think it's wrong to have another class' internal business published on our forum although I do understand that you thought you were being helpful, Danny.

Interesting... The only point I see that relates to the F16 is that Greg Goodall's new factory is not up to the quality of the old one.

I find this info interesting and think Ratherbesailing did the right thing to notify us of these developments.

Keeping track of what is happening outside of the F16 class is also an F16 activity.

In agreement with the others I also agree that we don't need to discuss this at length again and just take this in as info.

Wouter

Yeah I think it was me who asked and I do think it is interesting and relevant here, as someone had brought up the Taipan change as support for the notion that the F16 weight should change. The implication was that this said something about the feasibility of building an F16 to minimum weight. Without further facts, that information could have contributed to the FUD that Rolf referred to so insightfully. Danny's information provides some helpful data to support the view that (as I think some of us probably suspected) the change reflects a change in the builder more than some new knowledge about the Taipan design itself.

I know the past week has been a rough one for those of us who care about rational, respectful and constructive dialog, but let's not allow that to make us over-sensitive about what's fair to post here.

Thanks for the post. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> For those who aren't familiar, the Taipan is the original standard. The F16 is based on this established platform (i.e. F16 is adapted from the Taipan). The standard is dropping slightly now that Jim Boyer has retired, however even with the two kg increase at minimum weight the Taipan is still going to be one of the lightest F16’s available. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I read the events as 3 kg to the "cat" rigged T 4.9 and no increase to the sloop!.... making it 100Kg & 102kg.. 2 Kg for the extra jib?

How does this relate to our rules? Well stealing from Goodall “If if aint broke, don’t fix it”.

I'm sorry if some feel i should not have posted this on the F16 forum but here in AUS up to 50% of the F16 class are Taipans (my own boat is a F16 Taipan)they regularly sail within both classes here in AUS.My boat is a fully compliant F16 and can not be sailed within the Taipan Class rules but in saying this there are a lot of Taipans in Europe and the USA and Singapore that would find this information helpful as they are still Taipan class compliant but choose to sail F16 and regularly check and read this forum.

This was never intended to back any other discussions on other threads just to provide information that a few F16 Sailors asked for.