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"There is no discussion, just you showing your butt."

With the above comment, this is enough. I am going to have a chat with the site ownership on removing you as moderator. Way out of line Pete. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> Step down.

Bob <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

That's fine.

Personally, I find the discussion interesting, although it would be better if there were some facts available. Without facts, it just keeps going in a circle.

However, the premise is interesting. I'm still not sure why there is so much antagonism about it.

Nowhere in the original post was it stated that meeting the min weight rule was a condition of entry for Hobie or Nacra. It is accepted that Hobie and Nacra will not build a F16 to the current min weight so to have a discussion about them being involved is to also have a discussion about why they would not be involved.

AHPC don't meet the min weight rule and you allow the Viper to be called a F16!

Can somebody who has the weights data please post it? it is a valid question that has not been answered before.

Okay, this is interesting. I had to delete a post by a moderator who was unnecessarily insulting another poster, and I had to delete another post that a moderator should have deleted immediately.

Is this class moderator thing working? Talk about it, guys.

I think it is about money. The F16 has filled an existing niche and caused the devaluation of some boats. IMO, the 17 and 18 footers are just too heavy for a significant number of sailors. Speaking purely subjectively, my choices for a new boat, in order of preference were A class, F16, and Wave. I rejected the 17s and 18s for weight alone.

I'm fine with it. There is a lot of testosterone here. A few of us have agreed to disagree. That will not change.

Macca:

Excuse me for the previously censored post. I was offended by the cartoon. I apologize.

Is there a max weight rule? Correct me if I am wrong. Viper - 125 kg which is within the current weight rule. Thus, it meets the box rule relative to weight.

Kris
F-16 & F-18

I agree with Mary, it's interesting, and it,s about money...
wWhy not give the weights, me too as a homebuilder would like to see some figures.
To protect some there is a tip weight, and to get down to target with that on top there will be exotics below.

Macca:



Maybe that is why the original subject header was "Hypothetical Question"?

Kris
F-16 & F-18

Exactly, its is a discssion about "what ifs" and "maybe's"

So I am simply utilising those paramaters with my posts.

Hey,

you guys can bring your boats to Spring Fever and we can weigh them on the F18 scales for a small fee.

The A cats don't have a big manufacture and they had to cut the worlds in FL to 100 boats.

Hobie will never make an F16 it would kill the Hobie 16 class.

That sounds like a great idea. Maybe some "facts" will emerge.

There is already data from last years GC from various different designs. Dunno why it's not public even though it has been referred even from this thread.

Can't make it. Even I work occasionally.

Ok, due to the sudden meltdown in this thread I am locking it.

I will start a new thread where weight of current F16s can be posted by anyone with hard facts about the boats.
It is clear that the topic is highly explosive and everybody should respect that.