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Re: box rule drawing [Re: Wouter] #133337
02/28/08 03:39 AM
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Why stop then at the jib? Why not continue on with the hulls, they aren't wave-piercing style. Or why not the centreboards, they aren't the high aspect style that we see nowadays. Also why is there a batten on the foot of the mainsail, that ain't modern. Where do you start and stop?

My view is that the design is to show the F16 as a box rule design and what the parameters are for this box. Each manufacturer will then promo themselves what they believe is the best interpretation of this box.

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Re: box rule drawing [Re: taipanfc] #133338
02/28/08 06:17 AM
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instead of drawing Ronstan hardware why not draw the harken carboes?

Re: box rule drawing [Re: taipanfc] #133339
02/28/08 08:43 AM
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Where do you start and stop?



Ehhh, you start with the obvious stuff like the contours of the spi, mainsail and selftacking jib and you stop when you run out of the obvious stuff or run out of time and resources.

Currently we still have time and resources, so ....

Actually, adjusting the nose to show a more wave-piercer like hull is a good suggestion Taipanfc, we'll add that one to the list. The drawn daggerboard has an aspect ratio of 3 (Taipan/older Blades 1.8 ; new Blades 4) and are a good average if you ask me.

Wouter

Last edited by Wouter; 02/28/08 08:45 AM.

Wouter Hijink
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Re: box rule drawing [Re: Wouter] #133340
02/28/08 03:07 PM
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I also believe that if Florin has the time/courage a new style mainsail, selftacking foc and new hull shapes would be good.

It's like Wouter says, the flyer is to promote the class so it's logic to put newer designs.

Regards,
Gill


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Re: box rule drawing [Re: Gilo] #133341
02/28/08 06:35 PM
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Gill,
with so many changes the drawing might not be ready by next Tuesday. But I agree the drawing should reflect a more modern boat/sailplan. Taking the changes step by step will require more time. Also the GC should have a say in this (I assume), I mean what the drawing should/shouldn't have. A more modern design -yes, but the drawing still has to be as simple as possible IMHO. This is the way I see it. Will check this thread soon for the mods.


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Re: box rule drawing [Re: isvflorin] #133342
02/29/08 12:08 PM
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Hi Florin,

I will check it with the GC and use the current boxrule for the brochure at the moment.

Gill


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Re: box rule drawing [Re: Gilo] #133343
02/29/08 02:37 PM
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While it would be nice to fully modernise the drawing, we shouldn't allow that to overly-delay the production of the brochure/leaflet.

The wish list:

1. More pronounced 'modern' square-top mainsail
2. Higher aspect jib with or without self tacker
3. A generic hull, styled similar to Blade or Viper with wave piercer bow
4. Remove the lowest batten from the mainsail, add two battens to the jib

Other than these 'wish' items the drawing is fine and needs to be a simple 'at a glance' tool.

Thank you Florin, for doing this for the class, and thank you Gill for organising the flyer!


John Alani,
ex-Secretary, F16 Governing Council
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