Whatever Mark,

I'm not claiming perfect temporal memory here, but I am claiming I was "there at the time" and that the "Peter Cogan route" is correct. There were only three founding members : Phill Brander, Kirt Simmons and myself.

I know because I personally formed this group together with the other two. John was indeed a quick addition as I said earlier myself but he did come later.

If you will we can call him part of the "founding group" denoting everybody that became involved in the first few months after the decision to form this F16 class. That group will indeed encompass something like 20-30 people.

Would that make everybody happy ?

Wouter

Hey everybody !

I ONLY wrote : "I must really say here that I could not have done it without co-founder Phill Brander."

Meaning exactly that.

Can't be liberally translated into :"I enjoyed pissing on Kirt Simmons" or whatever to that effect in relation to any other person living or dead.

Geeeezzz !

Wouter

How did we get from a positive "let the light shine on XXX also" to here.. Just a rethorical question, but interesting and food for thought for us all.

Rolf,
I think it is because there is no one, two, three or four people that deserve more praise than anyone else working at growing the class.

We have a lot of great people working very hard and to praise a few is just not fair to the others.

Lets find a way out of this mine field and get back to work at growing the class.

Can you answer a question for me. The hull work is looking good but after you sent that pic to me of what it's like outside I have been wondering how are you going at curing resin in the cold with all that snow around? It must be cold.
What temp are you getting up to for the resin?
Did you get a resin designed to cure in cold temps?
If you can bring the resin up to a reasonable temp the viscosity changes and you can use less because it goes on thinner. Just have shorter gel time.
Well............

I had more the downward slide from loading praise to confrontations in mind. Trying to understand the mechanism leading into the spiral. Once it is started, it is too late anyway.

Our working space.. We are going seriously off-topic, but OK.
Outside temperatures vary from -5 to +10 degrees, but the garage typically see from +15 to +20 degrees. I have 800watt of directional lighting spread out 50-80cm over the mould. This keeps the temperature on the mould pretty even. We have to take care as the wood can twist and move if it is dried out after we put the glass on.. The lights are enough to heat the garage pretty well.
The epoxy is stored in a heat box. I dont have a thermometer in there, but it is just a box with enough room for 10Kgs of epoxy and hardener. The heat sources is a 60watt lightbulb.
The epoxy is a standard formulation with regular hardener. System works well enough. No problem with excessive amine blush or the epoxy not kicking in. With some tought, working in a cold environment with epoxy is no problem. Sanding on the other hand <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Well, we are off topic, but I have learned the hard way not to work with epoxy under +20 deg Celcius.
There are a lot of small problems occurring, but maybe we leave this to another topic.