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#135242 03/07/08 05:32 PM 03/07/08 05:32 PM |
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Posts: 1,252 California | How (and why) did you get a comptip in New Zealand? The Hobie 17 was designed with a CompTip and has always had one. | | | Re: H 17 comp tip on mast.
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#135243 03/07/08 05:42 PM 03/07/08 05:42 PM |
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | How (and why) did you get a comptip in New Zealand? The Hobie 17 was designed with a CompTip and has always had one. Sorry, Matt. I just assumed it was made in Australia and Europe, as well, where a comptip would not be required. | | | Re: H 17 comp tip on mast.
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Posts: 162 Dunedin Causeway, FL | How (and why) did you get a comptip in New Zealand? The Hobie 17 was designed with a CompTip and has always had one. Really? From the official Hobie 17 class rules: 3. MASTS Each mast shall have a black band around it as supplied by the HOBIE CAT CO The black band shall be located between the rotation control and gooseneck 26 ft. 10 in. (8.18 m) from the top of the mast not including the mast cap. Boats manufactured after 1 January 1995 may only sail in European class competition with an all aluminium mast. | | | Re: H 17 comp tip on mast.
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Posts: 291 | No, only the comptips. Sorry.
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#135248 03/09/08 12:27 AM 03/09/08 12:27 AM | Anonymous
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Unregistered | I've never seen a 17 in Aus or NZ without a comp tip. Given the above rule specifically refers to Europe i think you'll find that was the only place without them. | | | Re: H 17 comp tip on mast.
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#135250 03/09/08 08:47 AM 03/09/08 08:47 AM | Anonymous
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Unregistered | I think the computip was nice. Narrow section at top allowed for a lot of bend so you could flatten the sail when you needed to. Just honk down on the downhaul and flat she goes.
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#135256 03/09/08 11:22 PM 03/09/08 11:22 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | I've never seen a 17 in Aus or NZ without a comp tip. Given the above rule specifically refers to Europe i think you'll find that was the only place without them. I think all the H17's were built in the US and then exported - with comptips - no? I think that was what Matt was trying to say.
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#135257 03/10/08 02:38 AM 03/10/08 02:38 AM |
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Posts: 1,147 Bay of Islands, NZ | Just a hunch but after digging about I understand that the comptip was added after legal hassles and pitched as an upgrade and retro-fitted. I suppose the decision to go to boomless was also supposed to be upgrading the boat. Having sailed a boomless boat for some time I can think of lots of reason that this is not so. Is it true these two changes were made at the same time?
Ignore that question. After a little more time on Google I see the 17 was designed with the comptip.
So, let's see. The comptip has been designed at start with the 17 but in Europe they are sold with all alli masts.
I have to deduce the all alli mast is the better bet.
How are people finding the boat once flipped with the taper? One of the things I love about my Nacra14 is that I could go turtle on it if I tried because of the large mast volume. A discussion I found on google suggests the comptip creates problems because of the two piece mast and more possibility for leaks.
I don't mean to sound like a woose but I do not like having to ask others for assistance at sea.
Any and all righting experience on 17s much appreciated.
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#135258 03/10/08 02:57 AM 03/10/08 02:57 AM |
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | The Hobie 17 was designed after the comptip was required, so, as Matt Miller said, it was designed specifically for a comptip mast (unlike the earlier Hobie models). So no Hobie 17's were built that did not have comptips (unless some were built in other countries, which I don't know). (Well, your last post jumped in ahead of this, so I see you have already researched that. If the 17's weren't actually built in Europe, and if they had aluminum masts, I wonder whether they imported just the platforms and put on aluminum masts??)
Anyway, regarding the righting of Hobie 17's, I know that one thing that seems to work really well is shroud extenders. I have seen it in action with a Hobie 17 sailed by an elderly gentleman. If you use them, just make sure your mast is captive enough to its base that it won't hop off the ball when the boat rights.
(I don't know whether extenders are class legal, but it is probably irrelevant in your situation.)
P.S. You said, "One of the things I love about my Nacra14 is that I could go turtle on it if I tried because of the large mast volume." Did you mean you could NOT go turtle on it? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />
Last edited by Mary; 03/10/08 03:24 AM.
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