| Rescue #137989 03/28/08 08:57 AM 03/28/08 08:57 AM |
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Posts: 1,152 tampa, fl | Last night it was my turn in the rotation for RC duty at my clubs Thursday night race series. Most of the boats racing a large monohulls with a bunch of portsmouth boats and a couple cats thrown in the mix. By 6:15 we had our course set, and the start line in place and were waiting for 6:30 to begin the rolling starts that take 30 minutes to get through. A Nacra 5.8 was sailing around waiting for the start an capsized just prior to 6:30. He was single handing and unable to right the boat on his own. He was drifting slowly downwind with many other boats sailing around him, but none offering any assistance. There was nothing I could do at this point as I was responsible for getting all the starts off on time. I kept an eye on him to make sure he stayed with his boat and he seemed to be doing fine. At 7pm when we were done getting all the starts off, we pulled anchor and hurried down to him to assist. By this time he had gone turtle and a large sailboat was attempting to assist. We took over from the sailboat and sent them on their way. We attemted to right the boat by using the tying a line to the mast base and attempting to right by pulling the boat bows over the stern as I have learned this is the correct way to assist a turtled cat. The mast was full of water and the boat would get to pointing straight up and then flop back on its side and return to turtle. Things got scary....the only place on this body of water deep enough to go turtle is the main shipping channel into the port. A LARGE tanker was coming up the channel, a rather frantic conversation took place. Do we get him off the boat get out of dodge and hope the tanker doesn't run over his boat, or do we give it one more shot? We opted to go like hell and drag him out of the channel. We made it out of the channel and away from the path of the tanker. The boat was still turtle with a mast full of water. We took one more shot at righting him and with the committee boat at full throttle (big diesle on about a 24 foot work boat), it slowly came upright. The main was torn to shreds, but other than that, the boat was intact. We towed him back to the beach left him safely there.
lessons learned.....
1. Don't single hand a boat you can't right yourself. 2. Don't rely on others to help you in case you need it. I was very dissappointed at all the other boats out there that just sailed around him without offering any assistance. This would have been a non-issue if someone had helped him right prior to him going turtle. 3. The boat is not worth your life. When it comes down to it, get out of trouble and worry about your boat later. It can be replaced.
If your havin girl problems i feel bad for you son I got 99 problems but my beautiful wife ain't one | | | Re: Rescue
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#137991 03/28/08 09:26 AM 03/28/08 09:26 AM |
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Posts: 1,152 tampa, fl | Yes, we were the only powerboat on the water. I did notice a couple running up towards the port and ramp area, but either did not see, or chose not to assist the cat.
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#137993 03/28/08 10:17 AM 03/28/08 10:17 AM |
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Posts: 168 San Diego | Just wondering if bows over stern is the preferred method on beach cats or only larger cats and trimarans? | | | Re: Rescue
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#137994 03/28/08 11:10 AM 03/28/08 11:10 AM | Anonymous
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Unregistered | Yes, we were the only powerboat on the water. I did notice a couple running up towards the port and ramp area, but either did not see, or chose not to assist the cat. That is why I now carry this with me. I am now sailing small lakes with just a few of us and we may not have help readily available. http://www.murrays.com/mm5/merchant...ore_Code=MS&Product_Code=01-6051I would rather be safe than sorry!! Doug
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#137996 03/28/08 11:56 AM 03/28/08 11:56 AM |
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 4,451 West coast of Norway Rolf_Nilsen
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Posts: 4,451 West coast of Norway | Klaus, try this once. Jump into the sea upwind of a safe landing place like a beach with no big surf and well within swimming range, or swim some small distance out. Try using your phone or a replica with real buttons while lying in the chop or waves. Try to have a meaningful conversation of about 2 minutes without getting the phone soaked. Remember that you are not likely to be separated from your boat unless there is some wind, so try it a summer day with some wind and chop. Unless you have some really special precautions, I would save the phone in its waterproof package until I was back on land. I have helped right Tornados who have gone over with big holes in their masts. We towed them sideways until the mast was accesible from the boat and then had boat no. 2 grab the mast and let it drain a bit. Then we towed them sideways and 'threw' the stick upwards to get it started. Once the centerboards got some grip they came up, but crew had to be really alert and hang on to the mainbeam to stop it from going over the other way. The mast is really heavy when it is full of water after a turtle! 1. Don't single hand a boat you can't right yourself. 2. Don't rely on others to help you in case you need it. I was very dissappointed at all the other boats out there that just sailed around him without offering any assistance. This would have been a non-issue if someone had helped him right prior to him going turtle. 3. The boat is not worth your life. When it comes down to it, get out of trouble and worry about your boat later. It can be replaced.
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#137997 03/28/08 12:05 PM 03/28/08 12:05 PM |
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Posts: 57 Minneapolis | my Nacra 5.8 seems to turtle very quickly. What can i do to help prevent that?
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#137998 03/28/08 12:17 PM 03/28/08 12:17 PM |
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Posts: 2,921 Michigan | Put it under water... see where bubbles are coming from. Seal the heck out of those areas with silicone. Or Have your mast in the shade on a hot day. Put it in the sun... soap it up. Seal the smack out of where it is bubbling. or look at every single fitting on your mast and if there is a question smear the hell out of it with silicone. or hobie bob it
One of the last times I went out sailing I capsized and there was so much wind on the bottom of the tramp it was pushing the mast under and once the sails were in and it was drifiting it pushed it down more. I was really worried about turtling there although the bay were I was was probably not deep enough to go completely turle. That would lead to a problem with damage to the mast if it did hit the bottom. The mast came back up easily. I haven't looked specificly for holes in my mast byt putting it under water, etc... but I did look around soecificaly for issues and goobered areas up that I was a little concerned about. That being said... I think there is some styrofoam in my mast though.
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#137999 03/28/08 12:19 PM 03/28/08 12:19 PM |
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Posts: 291 | Make sure your mast does not have any leaks is the first place to start. If the issue presist and you are like me, being prone to going over, you may want to consider a fixed float or a tetherable float that you can send up/down the mast after the boat is turtled.
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#138000 03/28/08 12:22 PM 03/28/08 12:22 PM |
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Posts: 57 Minneapolis | with the 5.8 it has the ring and hook system. how can i lower the mail sail if it turtles, and then send up a float? or am i hosed on that point.
Dave Foster Minneapolis Nacra F16
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#138001 03/28/08 12:25 PM 03/28/08 12:25 PM |
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Posts: 291 | You would have seperate line on the side of the mast for the float. The sail you would leave alone. You should check the mast for leaks first. You might be surprised to find it does leak and how much less likely you are to turtle when it is not filling with water.
Collin Casey Infusion Platform + C2 rig and rags = one fast cookie
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#138002 03/28/08 12:50 PM 03/28/08 12:50 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Just wondering if bows over stern is the preferred method on beach cats or only larger cats and trimarans? I'm glad nobody was injured - pity nobody would help early enough. The preferred method in this case IS bow over stern. I have seen two catamarans - one a Supercat 21 and the other a large Mystere, attempt to be righted over their sides with masts full of water. Both boats suffered a good deal of hull damage from the tow line as it tried to right from the side. Having water in the mast really works against you especially given enough time to fill completely.
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#138003 03/28/08 12:52 PM 03/28/08 12:52 PM |
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Posts: 954 Mumbles Y.C Wales U.K | Here in the UK after you have completed your RYA Power boat level 2 certificate (which is mandatory prior to driving any Club safety craft) you can then attain your Safety boat certificate. During this additional course the RYA prescribed method for up turning a turtled Cat is from the side. The safety boats toe rope is tied to the Cats righting line which should be fastened to the mast foot and around what will be the high hull (windward once the cat is upright). The complete length of he toe rope must be longer than the mast our somebody will get a nasty headache if the Cat flips. Once this has been done the safety boat uses enough throttle to turn into the wind and then applies more throttle to eventually get the cat on it's side and then into the upright position. At Mumbles we wouldn't hold a race unless there is at least one safety boat on the water plus committee boat. MP*MULTIHULLS | | | Re: Rescue
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#138006 03/28/08 03:16 PM 03/28/08 03:16 PM |
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Posts: 57 Minneapolis | I had to break down the boat. we were on a lake with no power boats allowed. My crew was at the help and his inexperience came through. the boat turtled quickly and well, it was time to break it down. it was a good experience, but one I hope not to repeat.
Dave Foster Minneapolis Nacra F16
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