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Re: Cat Sailing Face Plant [Re: ] #140411
04/18/08 03:57 PM
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Shouldn't you be flogging your crew about now!?

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Re: Cat Sailing Face Plant [Re: brucat] #140412
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From the Hobie HOTLINE Vol. 2, Issue 5 (p.15)

Dr. Goephast's Medicine Bag
by Chuck Patch, Ph.D. in B.S.

Ailment: Post Pitchpole Depression

Symptoms: sudden loss of boatspeed, severe dampness of skipper and crew, unnatural elevation at the rudders

Comments: Post Pitchpole Depression (PPD) will affect all sailors during their sailing careers. Even on shore, many prefer not to discuss pitchpoling. There are numerous strains of PPD. Any sailor knows there must be fifty ways to leave your Hobie. Below we examine various levels of the ailment:

Level 1. The "Santa Claus" Syndrome
On a reach, in flat water, the crew notices the lee bow sinking lower in the water. Regardless how many people are aboard, suddenly everyone wants to sit in the skipper's lap.

Level 2. The "Das Boot" Syndrome
This occurs sailing downwind in large chop. The bows bury into the back of a wave, and the boat slows as the hulls continue moving forward underwater. Catamarans do not make good submarines, so it is best to avoid this mode. In the performance of this maneuver, skippers have been injured, slugged by crews upset about the five gallons of ice-cold water having just went down the back of their wetsuits.

Level 3. The "Fred and Ginger" Syndrome
aka the Demicell Maneuver
Sailing upwind, double trapped, the leeward hull digs in gently, causing the boat to decelerate. Inertia causes the skipper and crew to dance gracefully to the bow, pulling the boat over on top of themselves.

Level 4. The "Wile E. Coyote" Syndrome
Sailing singlehanded, reaching and trapped out, standing behind the rear crossbar. Bows go under, the boat comes to a halt, balanced on its nose. The skipper, now 16 feet in the air, thinks, "This ain't so bad - I'll just wait for the bows to back out and sail on." Then, the fatal error: he looks down. "Hey, there's nothin' holdin' me up here! AAAAAA!" -SPLASH!-

Level 5. The "Satellite" Syndrome
Sailing downwind in heavy air, the knothead crew decides to go out on the wire. With same knothead crew standing behind the rear crossbar, the bows dig in sharply. The knothead crew is launched forward, remaining hooked in, and begins to orbit the front of the boat. The skipper, still at his post, watches helplessly as the knothead crew's weight brings the boat to a final, embarrassing halt.

Level 6. The "Friendly Skies" Syndrome
Heavy air, reaching, double trapped at the end of a long day of sailing. The crew just HAS to remark, "I'm surprised we haven't pitchpoled yet." It's guaranteed within 30 seconds the bows head straight for Davy Jones. Skipper and crew, without having filed flight plans, fly away for parts unknown. After a short yet eventful journey, the pair splash down.
Never, ever allow the crew to say the P-word whilst sailing.
...

Other things I've heard:

"They was headin' for Cuba sideways." -remark made observing a boat on its side, crew struggling to right it, strong north winds.

"Damn, them bows was gonna visit Davy Jones." - after a pitchpole

Most anything David Beale has to say.

"Hang on to your diapies! We're going in!" -at a start line

Re: Cat Sailing Face Plant [Re: John Williams] #140413
04/19/08 09:07 AM
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Proper mark mounting requires the use of a bridle foil. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />


Not in the case of barging marks.


Jake Kohl
Re: Cat Sailing Face Plant [Re: Jake] #140414
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No one here remembers "Jungle Jibe"? AKA "Doing the Tarzan"- same as Peter Pan.

We were on the H16 enjoying the strong breeze from a coming storm front and as we began to round the weather mark we were hit by a massive downburst. The water went flat on a perfect circle all around us and the boat first flew the windward hull followed by the rest of the boat. We had just trimmed for a reach to B mark. The leeward bow touched down first and I could not hold on to the Hawaiian lifeline. I performed a perfect Jungle Jibe and met the leeward sidestay moments before the mast hit the water. It all happened incredibly fast.


Race cheap, race faster, Damnit!

E-Scow
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18HT hulls plus Gcat 5.7 rig = 18GT!
Re: Cat Sailing Face Plant [Re: FasterDamnit] #140415
04/19/08 07:19 PM
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Re the park & fly, that would be a heck of a photoshop, lots of detail in the water droplets etc. I think it's just the boat resurfacing after stuffing the bow and dropping the driver...did sort of the same thing on a 5.2, couldn't believe how long it stood balanced on one bow...

Re: Cat Sailing Face Plant [Re: sbflyer] #140416
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I'd be willing to give it the benefit of the doubt too. I have a very impressive pitchpole picture in my office from the H16 Worlds in Mexico.

Unless the artist has come forward and admitted it's a Photoshop job, all we have are conspiracy theorists.

Mike

Re: Cat Sailing Face Plant [Re: brucat] #140417
04/20/08 09:50 PM
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Just finished the "Carnage regatta" last weekend and heard the term "Driving down a mine shaft" for the first time.
Not I but another Hobie 20 w/230lb skipper did his version of the "space shuttle" and landed at the tip of his mast 33' away from the launch pad.


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Re: Cat Sailing Face Plant [Re: tami] #140418
04/20/08 10:25 PM
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Tami, Thanks for going far back into the archives. I remember 'Ol Chuck Patch well- he lives around here someplace but I think his Prindle is broken. His favorite pitchpole effort is called the same as his boat: "BOHICA"... bend over here it comes again


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Re: Cat Sailing Face Plant [Re: brucat] #140419
04/21/08 09:49 PM
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Going down the mine

for when you start to stuff, the boat takes a downward angle, and it just drives down under water. Just before you have the thought "will it pop out or go endo..."

Re: Cat Sailing Face Plant [Re: brucat] #140420
04/23/08 12:34 PM
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Late summer lake sailing around here it's a million degrees, 95% humidity, no wind, and the reservoir looks like an agitated wash tub due to power boat and PWC wakes.

We call it "Shake 'n Bake".

Jerome Vaughan
Hobie 16
Clinton, Mississippi

Re: Cat Sailing Face Plant [Re: rattlenhum] #140421
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Dude, that's not sailing, that's torture! Why would you ever leave the comfort of air conditioning in those conditions???

Mike

Re: Cat Sailing Face Plant [Re: brucat] #140422
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Pile driving. pitchpole, hit bottom and either break a bow or bury it in the mud, or both.

Pile driver -specialty of QB2- sliding on your bum across projecting bolt heads on main beam

Gelded- having legs go either side of the shroud and hitting it with your crotch on the way down

Re: Cat Sailing Face Plant [Re: Qb2] #140423
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Yep, y'all colonials a tough bunch.

Years ago, Tilley (SA) brought another SA guy out for a spin on Tilley's H16. Blowin' stink it was, and they were goin' stink too. As is common on the H16, the bows dug in. The SA'er gets launched satellite style, reaches the limit of the trapeze line, and comes back in, spreadeagled toward the mast and fwd crossbeam. Just at the last moment, the fella draws himself into a ball, and whacks the Hell out his shins on the crossbar.

Arriving at the beach, the SA fella is just bloody shinned, it looks awful. We all exclaim, "G.Zeus!" offering the usual commiserate remarks...

...the fella answers....

"Ja, it was almost my NADS!"

Re: Cat Sailing Face Plant [Re: tami] #140424
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I saw more worse injuries from sailing on yachts than from cats. They have all sorts of things sticking up for you to trip on, slide into or fall on, especially winches and stanchions.

Saw a few big hits and lots of close calls with booms sweeping across during broaches,

crew picked up by the mainsheet and tossed across the deck

fingers/sensitive bits/clothing crushed in winches,

Had my hand 'smoke' when spinnaker halyard was let go as I was about to put it on a winch. Silly me froze just long enough to totally blister my fingers and palm. The only relief was holding a cold tinny for the rest of the race.

Scariest incident: Young guy working the bow nearly knocked out and sent overboard when he tripped the spinnaker shackle and it hit him in the temple. This on a yacht with no safety lines or stanchions.

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