In case you never look at our welcome page, just letting you know the Steeplechase story and results have been there for a few hours, and pictures have just now been added from today's leg.

Mary-

How about the SC20 coming in 3rd???

Now I'm in the mood to finish my SC20.

thom

Hi Thom

I'm a S C fan also and have a S C 15 the kids and I sail on the lake , along with other cat racing .
The idea of taking S C 20 hulls and building a Formula 20 type cat that any could race in a large fleet of spin rigged 20s really appeals to me and sure many others .The wonderfull folks at Aquarious Sails are the only ones I know of currently that would build a boat to customer specs in a number of variations on its design ,with really excellent quality .

But , ---the actual across the line finish is listed from the T B site for the S C places it 10TH across the line ,--approx 25 minutes behind the T-sailed by Robbie . The S C 20 -tall rig version being sailed with 12 ft beam certainly has the same speed potential as the T .The sailors on it this time are some of the best and were 3rd near the start but must have encountered course or tactical nav problems to drop back to 10th.
Because this cat is seldom raced it is given a very favorable handicap advantage under P-rating, that seems unrealistic again given this boats larger mast sails and beam .-The handicap moves it from 10th to 3rd ,--go figure ?
Another example of how P rating breaks down as applied to distance racing it was never intended for .
Also scoring spin and non spin boats together in distances where spin may or may not be used is completely invalid.
-We need to race boats in classes as a truer test of sailing skill. Add a handicap rating system for added overall for fun ,--but lets revise this system for distance racing and get it right ,
There are 2 other systems used with great success at major races around the globe ,-one with 600 boat starts .

Here is a copy from the I S A F handicap web site for cats -

-Whilst it is accepted that the ideal Rating system is one which uses historical results, a Portsmouth Yardstick type system, it has proved difficult to obtain sufficient data to validate such a system around the World. The SCHRS enables new designs to be rated quickly, and allows International regattas to take place with a common handicapping system for many types of Catamaran.

It is recognized that one-design and level rating are generally a more realistic test of sailing skill. For events organised under these regulations, organizing authorities may consider separate arrangements for one-design or level rating classes present in sufficient numbers.

end ISAF - http://www.schrs.com/

-Lets score boats by class ,-and lets objectively compare and perfect the rating system for distance racing in N A
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question -has anyone adjusted the numeric scale between P-rating and ISAF rating ,-.so any could compare these different rating systems at a glance based on similar numbers, there are similar spreads between the extremes ,-from waves to T .
The different rating systems use different calcs. and different points of beginning -Finding consistant commonalities between the 2 would be the basis then a numeric scale could be adjusted to one or the other for direct comparison . A few recalcs of N A version boats is also needed but minor differences ,-more and more boats are commonly sailed with Formula type classes emerging .

Racing with classes as priority is needed for results to have any real meaning . Add a handicap overall if needed ,but call it what it really is ,and do not confuse it with actual or real results .

Silly people keep attacking others personally when they draw attention to these realities and problems of rated racing .
No one has all the answers ,-but lets learn grow and keep trying to improve in all aspects of this great sport .


-We will get there .
Happy Holidays
Carl

-edit added ---actual Sat race finishes

unofficial Steeplechase boat finishes --actual -


Robbie Daniel - Tornado
Matt Struble - F18HT - 7:45 back
Tommy Bahama - I-20 - 9:57 back
Team Tybee - I-20 - 14:40 back
John Casey - I-20 - 15:27 back
Rick Bliss - Nacra 6.0 - 20:12 back
Richard Feeney - Nacra 6.0 - 22:20 back
Dan Lawrence - Nacra 6.0
Kirk Newkirk - I-20
Eric Roberts - Supercat
Dave Ingram - I-20
Rick Loewen - I-20
Clive Mayo - Nacra 6.0
Nacra 6.0
#112 - Nacra 6.0
#30 - Nacra 6.0 Express
146 Nacra 6.0
Brian Lambert - F18 HT
Nacra 6.0
Mark Lavine - I-20
Brian Carr - I-20
John McGlocklin - I-20
Jay Roth - I-20
Dave White - Nacra 6.0
Loyd Barry - Hobie 21
Terry Green I-18
Todd Hart - I-20
Chris Runge - I-20
Mike Krantz - F18 HT
Prindle 19 MX
Boog Newkirk - I-18
Mark Hernendene - I-20
#274 Nacra 6

Yeah Carl- I know what you mean about handicaps. My ARC22 is rated around 59 i guess and I20s and nacras and Tornados correct out ahead of it... You play the cards you're dealt and live with it...

thom

Hey Thom -
in trying to get some extra work finished up ,but find myself drawn to catsailor ,-wish I were there racing ,like most ,-

Cards ,--hmmm ,-fun n games ,-that's great at times .

Sailing can be that and should at times ,particularly at local club levels , always thought that is why we always have great dinners and parties after events though .
Some major events should be accepted run and set up in structure as true sport , so would respectfully disagree.

The problems with rated racing are obvious . Why race an Arc 22 against a H-16 ANYWAY ? -Group boats into similar classes ,-score them in classes , add an open catagory if needed .
An Arc 22 should start and race along with similar boats ,-if not available an open mixed class ,--simple ,-much better racing . All boats are welcome to race at events ,-that is understood . Most all prefer class racing . That is why --how Hobie retains the largest percentage of sailors in N A and historically has . Most that prefer class racing will not attend events to be in an open rated class that means little racing against very different sized -types -rig variation cats.
The best way to integrate all catsailors is in Formula type classes ,-and similar rated classes . -
This seems obvious if we really want to promote the sport .

The Tybee race for example already has a F-18 class
all 20s should enter as N A F-20s-
not sure why a F-16 Class is not also added ,it should in time.
also add an open class if needed

--Happy Holidays Thom
all the best to you and yours
Carl