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Re: Stepping Mast with Boat on its Side [Re: mmiller] #142196
05/05/08 08:23 PM
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The C Class guys use a triangle gin pole set up that involves a block and tackle.

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Re: Stepping Mast with Boat on its Side [Re: Tri_X_Troll] #142197
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I've discovered that a tight tramp works better than anything.


I've been waiting for someone to bring up the "tight tramp" issue again. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Stepping Mast with Boat on its Side [Re: Redtwin] #142198
05/05/08 09:07 PM
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I have a nacra 6.0. The mast is a beast, and lifting it alone is nearly impossible.

I setup an electric winch and clip the cable to the end the forestay to pull the mast up. With a remote in hand, I lift the mast up from the ground and walk to the tramp. I climb on the tramp and let the winch do all the work while I keep the mast from swaying. Here's a rough drawing of it.

I've been doing this for 3 years and it works like a charm!

Bill Nieuwkerk

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Re: Stepping Mast with Boat on its Side [Re: Nieuwkerk] #142199
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"I have a nacra 6.0. The mast is a beast, and lifting it alone is nearly impossible."

Time to hit the Gym. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Stepping Mast with Boat on its Side [Re: Andinista] #142200
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Re: Stepping Mast with Boat on its Side [Re: brucat] #142201
05/06/08 05:16 AM
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It's easy to do it that way and not as daft as some would say..
Not as easy as flat once you know the drill and feel confident. But it is safer for the uninitiated. I do it with very heavy masts which don't have a captive set up within the step.

Re: Stepping Mast with Boat on its Side [Re: mmiller] #142202
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Wire the rear shrouds first then tip on side. Have one person hold the boat and secure fronts and put back upright.
You are not a freak, just getting your bearings. You will find as you begin to trust the boat and process a little more that you are willing to take a few more risks.
You might find a small boat and practice raising the mast on that to get some confidence.
Enjoy your sailing.

Re: Stepping Mast with Boat on its Side [Re: warbird] #142203
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A friend of mine put his mast on sideways with his FX1 a few times, its possible to do as a last resort method but I wouldn't recommend it.
Maybe better to get one of these <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> :
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Re: Stepping Mast with Boat on its Side [Re: papayamon2] #142204
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A new Viper 640 did the power line thing at the Mug Race Friday night. The Carbon mast exploded - a cute little black fuzzy blossom about 6 inches wide and 3 inches high. 2 inch hole in the middle. Owie!
He didn't sail on Saturday with the rest of us.
I didn't hear about any injuries. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Stepping Mast with Boat on its Side [Re: dacarls] #142205
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too busy calming the heart and trying to work out where the strange smell was coming from is my guess


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Re: Stepping Mast with Boat on its Side [Re: bvining] #142206
05/06/08 10:20 PM
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Bill,
Can you remove the hinge once the mast is up? Mine seems pinched in there, though it doesn't seem to adversely affect the rotation .

Dave

Re: Stepping Mast with Boat on its Side [Re: warbird] #142207
05/11/08 11:13 PM
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When I first read the initial post, I though "Why didn't I think of that?". Then my enthusiasm was dampened a little by the replies, but I still thought the idea had potential.

My situation, Tornado classic aluminum mast (heavy), no pin in mast step, mast has to be raised from the back, mast has to be twisted 90 degrees until most of the way up to avoid damaging the tramp with the rotation limiter (which is part of the mast base).

So today, I figured we'd have a go at tipping the boat, and it was WAY easier, and required less manpower. As a side benefit, I didn't have to have the 6 foot 4 neighbour walk accross my ever more fragile tramp (which I hadn't put on the boat yet).

So, IMO, it's not a bad idea under certain circumstances.

Thanks for the tip. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Al

Re: Stepping Mast with Boat on its Side [Re: Al Schuster] #142208
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As far as the mast having to be twisted because of the rotation limiter just tie the limiter off to the side of the main beam and the mast stays twisted without being held.
Yes, always another way to "skin" a cat so to speak but people are always ready to dish the crap out.

Re: Stepping Mast with Boat on its Side [Re: Nieuwkerk] #142209
05/13/08 01:57 PM
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I have a nacra 6.0. The mast is a beast, and lifting it alone is nearly impossible.

I setup an electric winch and clip the cable to the end the forestay to pull the mast up. With a remote in hand, I lift the mast up from the ground and walk to the tramp. I climb on the tramp and let the winch do all the work while I keep the mast from swaying. Here's a rough drawing of it.

I've been doing this for 3 years and it works like a charm!

Bill Nieuwkerk


Bill,
How do you pin the forestay to the furler? Is there more than 1 hole on the end of your forestay or do you not use a furler? Or maybe you'd need another set of hands for that?

I have a 6.0 too and do the manual crank with one of the trap wires, but I like anything electric and remote. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Thanks,
Rick


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