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| Its new on the Tornado and what it makes it interesting is that it shows up at the olympics I guess (and that not all teams have it).
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Reno NV | There is nothing new about this kind of sail, is there? It has been standard on big monohulls for many, many years. It's called a genoa jib. It is just relatively new on small multihulls. Right? Snuffing it seems to be a new twist. | | | Re: Mitch Booth's upwind gennaker...
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Looking for a Job, I got credi... | There is nothing new about this kind of sail, is there? It has been standard on big monohulls for many, many years. It's called a genoa jib. It is just relatively new on small multihulls. Right? Snuffing it seems to be a new twist. Reg and Rob White had a bagable code zero on their Hurricane 6.5's about 15 years ago. This is nothing new.
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All of this complaining... FINE! NOBODY wears a swim suit...
Would have made it a point to watch the trials then!
Given certain hydrodynamic properties and analyzing the 'foil cross sctions'... Who'd you think would be faster men or women in the above scenario? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> J | | | Re: Mitch Booth's upwind gennaker...
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Vancouver, BC | Typically, measurement day is the day before a regatta begins...so all sails are declared and given an authorization stamp...but not sure how they run the Olympic event.
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Bay of Islands, NZ | (Again in my opinion it's one of those issues that ISAF just knows that members of the Tornado class will be pushing the rules and one of the reasons it does not like the Tornado class) ....
ISAF officials don't like those pushing the envelope? Like the world-class Olympic swimmers, track and field (etc.) competitors who continually discover fancy new drugs to be investigated and banned? Now superlight Yinglings? Who ever thought that light boats have an advantage? DUH!
If the multihulls in this week's light-air Chicago-Mac race had hooters they may have stayed much closer to the 90 footers. Yesterday I accidently met a slug racer who was returning home to Traverse City. They saw my 2003 Rick's Place/Hogsbreath T-shirt and asked what that and CABB was. I explained sadly about Rick's Place. 8^( Unprovoked, the fine gentleman then explained that catamarans aren't really sailboats, besides, they don't go upwind. And I had to reply "Yup- and they don't sink". I would suppose one could see Captain James Cook as a sailor...just. his observations of the Tahitian multis in his journals are interesting. He saw them and very fast and maneuverable vessels. Strangely he did not get into any other ideas about "real" or not. Perhaps the chap meant that multis do not point....but we all know, it is not good enough to just point at something...at some stage one must get there, so who might be first? | | | Re: Mitch Booth's upwind gennaker...
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Bay of Islands, NZ | There is nothing new about this kind of sail, is there? It has been standard on big monohulls for many, many years. It's called a genoa jib. It is just relatively new on small multihulls. Right? Snuffing it seems to be a new twist. I am often surprised by the inability of mono/multi to see the wood and take ideas from each other more quickly. I notice the X40s furl and drop their reacher....why not do that as they will have already done the math? | | | Re: Mitch Booth's upwind gennaker...
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Asuncion, Paraguay | There is nothing new about this kind of sail, is there? It has been standard on big monohulls for many, many years. It's called a genoa jib. It is just relatively new on small multihulls. Right? Snuffing it seems to be a new twist. I am often surprised by the inability of mono/multi to see the wood and take ideas from each other more quickly. I notice the X40s furl and drop their reacher....why not do that as they will have already done the math? I don't think they did any math. Over 400 square feet sail area one can't use a snuffer, so it is easier and faster to furl and drop.
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South Carolina | I think it's a matter of time. Snuffing a sail is pretty fast compared to furling, dropping, and getting it controlled somehow on the trampoline. When you have a huge sail, this is about your only option (and much easier on the sail) and most of these big boats have 6 or more people on board to handle it. On the Tornado, minimal fuss and speed are critical so they're probably better off snuffing it.
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Syracuse, NY Hobie Fleet 204 | [ b]If the multihulls in this week's light-air Chicago-Mac race had hooters they may have stayed much closer to the 90 footers.[/b] I would strongly disagree with this. I raced the Mac on a boat with a Code Zero or basically a roller furling headsail that was designed for downind sailing, a hooter. We were severely handicapped in dead down situations. We used every technique and angle that we could think of and were getting crushed by smaller boats (multis) that could sail lower angles and carry the apparent wind lower. We also gave up alot of distance and angle to leaners (monohulls) who would just put up a cloud of a spin pull the pole back and go nearly DFW. The sail did have its window & conditions, but for pure downwind sailing I I would not want it as my ONLY option. | | | Re: Mitch Booth's upwind gennaker...
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Gainesville, FL 32607 USA | Re Korz comments: From the beach, website, and looking at weather reports it looked like light headwinds were present all of day 1, and it appeared that is when the big leaners got way ahead of the multi fleet. This suggested that proper Hooters (code 0) on a close reach would work to weather for multis.
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All of this complaining... FINE! NOBODY wears a swim suit...
Would have made it a point to watch the trials then!
Given certain hydrodynamic properties and analyzing the 'foil cross sctions'... Who'd you think would be faster men or women in the above scenario? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> J That's banana boards vs hull lift... Tough call! | | | Re: Mitch Booth's upwind gennaker...
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All of this complaining... FINE! NOBODY wears a swim suit...
Given certain hydrodynamic properties and analyzing the 'foil cross sctions'... Who'd you think would be faster men or women in the above scenario? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> J Extremely dependent on the water temperature. | | | Re: Mitch Booth's upwind gennaker...
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All of this complaining... FINE! NOBODY wears a swim suit...
Would have made it a point to watch the trials then!
Given certain hydrodynamic properties and analyzing the 'foil cross sctions'... Who'd you think would be faster men or women in the above scenario? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> J That's banana boards vs hull lift... Tough call! Are we taking buoyancy into account? | | |
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