LOL I can picture it now:

[color:"red"]So Jake, how's it going today?[/color]
[color:"blue"]Not bad Jake, doin' some sailing.[/color]
[color:"red"]I see that. Overstood A mark a bit didn't you?[/color]
[color:"blue"]A bit[/color]
[color:"red"]You know, if you were to strangle some prostitutes and bury them down by the river, you'd probably sail better[/color]
[color:"blue"]I don't want to do that anymore.[/color]
[color:"red"]You have to Jake, for us. [/color]

Either i am missing an inside joke, or someone DOES need to switch to decaf!

My tag recently changed from H20 to P15 and I'm "chuffed to bits" <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> with the move.

In the 22 months we had the Miracle 20 we raced a dozen or so points regattas and two NAC's, which was a blast, big fleets here in the midwest and great people racing in them, but other than racing, the boat was sailed I think four times recreationaly. Just too much of a hassle to put together for an afternoons' sail. Traveling away from our immediate area was necessary to race hence rising fuel costs was a bit of a consideration. Making the decision to sell left the backup H16 as the only boat left to rec sail and I don't feel completely comfortable (@75kgs) soloing two-up boats.

My poor man's A/F16/? Prindle 15 weighs 260#'s (reportedly, haven't weighed mine), has a rotating mast, and darn near as fast as a H16 (DP-N 76.2 vs 76.0) Although I'm learning how to tack all over again (I was bestowed the nickname "Iron Man" my first day out), it's very nice to have something I can rig, launch and sail alone when our crew life schedule doesn't allow racing or rec sailing our H16.

Saving pennies for a used A Class.

No inside joke, I don't know Jake personally, it just made me think of the stereo typical schizophrenic killer talking to his other personality. Thats all..... Like the movie: Mr. Brooks?

You need to get out more.

16A Start at Rochester, NY last weekend (that's only 2/3 of the boats on the line - there were 22 in 16A)

There are only two boats in that photo that are more than 5 years old. Eight of them are less than a year old.

My '07 cost $7,500 (white sail hidden behind 110099)

Wasn't it you with the "roses are red" bit about my schizophrenia? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I tried two different smaller single-hand boats, one of which had a spinnaker. In the end, I went back to what I love the most - two-up spinnaker racing where teamwork counts a lot and there are women in the fleet. The downsides I gladly tolerate. I don't fault anyone for the choices they make in this regard - thankfully, there is still a lot of cross-over in the fleets, so I get to see most folks somewhere soon or later.

Still think after talking to Bob Curry a lot I am going to get a Nacra F17 and a jib kit for when I want crew. Good strong boat that an take high wind and be pushed to limit. Now that I have learned the spin on the Mystere 4.3 I am ready for a hotter boat.

Doug

1. My wife enjoys sailing, but would much rather be a passenger than a crew.

2. I can go sailing or racing when I feel like it... or not. No hassles to find crew or disappointment if something else comes up.

3. Eliminates the unknowns of boat balance and sail trim, and someone else's reaction time.

NO it was my evil twin! lol

I may have joked about multiple personalities... but i didnt include chopping up and burying ladies of the night!

I think Jake's more high tech. He probably talks to his Ipod named " the Jake 9000"

I personally think that a well-sailed double hander will always be faster than a well-sailed singlehander - only because the number of activities is subsetted into double the amount of brains and hands.

For example. My Crew trims main MUCH better than I could do it alone while driving. He's constantly looking at telltales and sawing that sheet - making us fast fast fast. He reacts to my changes in course much faster that I could alone, just because thats ALL he's doing upwind whereas my brain would be focused on driving first, and trimming second. He also does a great job of telling me when my driving sucks when his arms get sore <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I used to sail a H17. I hated sailing it alone. I hazard to say that I was bored while sailing solo recreationally.

Haha,...If i "get out" any more often, i will have to live on my catamaran (as i will be out of work/money and a roof over my head) I sail EVERY weekend (year round), usually fri,sat sun... i was being sarchastic (as usual) about the fact that i have never actually seen a NEW catamaran, and have seen 100's of USED hobies.

My first boat was 24 years old, my second was 22 and my curent cat is a baby at 14. Most of the guys i sail with are in the same boat 14-25 year old cats..

I am glad to hear of NEW boats being sold

Tell that to Charlie Ogletree. He SMOKED all of us at the last Texas Catamaran Championship I went to. That A cat made us look like we had Barges for boats. Light A cat will ALWAYS beat a 2 up boat, if sailed right.

Doug

So, what kind of "off the public airwaves" info has mr Curry been feeding ya ?

Wouter

Wouter:

Bob just said F17 would suit may weight better at 210. And he think it is a stronger built boat than the Blade. Still want to sail both of then before I make my choice. Both are great boats, DON'T get me wrong.

Doug

You dont say <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I love sailing two up, working in a team and succeeding as a team. After 8 years on the T it was hard to let that class go, but we had to move on. To be able to improve as sailors, we had to split and get two boats which we can sail alone or to match each others.
Ability to go sailing one up or two up is an enourmous advantage. Being able to take the girls sailing, which was very risky on the T, also counts. In addition smaller boats are cheaper to run as wear and tear is not so large as on the heavier boats. Sails are somewhat less expensive etc. Being able to handle my boat on land without breaking the back is also very important.

So Mitch Booth and his crew choice on a 'T' and Charlie on an 'A' up and down... dude, you're on!

You can't compare Charlie with weekend warriors of course he's going to run circles around the fleet.

Now, if you want to proove you're point put Charlie on an F16 uni w/spin and Mitch and crew on the sloop w/spin and in varying wind conditions on say 10 races and I think you'll find it's a wash... unless of course the F16 uni really is slower than the F16 sloop :-)

I am just looking at the best of both worlds. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> I uni that is competitive THAT you can throw a jib and crew on AND still also be competitive. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> That is why I got out of the two up boat (IE Hobie 16) a long time ago. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> I lost my good regular crew and could not find another to replace. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> NOW they have good boats that can be sailed both ways. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I just have to choose which one I want. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Doug

It's been an incredible season for new 16's all over the country. Also the local craigslist is short any decent used Hobies. Seems that gas prices are making people think about selling their stinkpots and bigger sailboats and getting into smaller sailboats. Hopefully it turns out to be like the '70's...for boat sales not disco!

J