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global Challenge #151874
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Hi, Who gets to decide where the next global challenge is held? Is it put to all members or is it decided by those attending this Global Challenge?



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Re: global Challenge [Re: ratherbsailing] #151875
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Danny,

Contact the Aus association to get the answer.

You are a member after all.!!

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I think the lobbying has already begun. I've heard '09 will be at GYC.

http://www.gulfportyachtclub.com/index.html

I've no idea what the actual procedure is.

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I expect it to be an item for discussion between the GC and potential arrangers/clubs/national associations.

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Re: global Challenge [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #151879
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Sorry Guy's would of thought someone would of been able to answer this question. I have referred to the AUS association. Interesting to find out the rules are not in place for these decisions to take place.



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Singapore!!! Or Malaysia!!! We would be able to get 20 boats on the line before anyone from overseas turns up. Would be the beginning of the critical mass that this class needs in my opinion.

Re: global Challenge [Re: taipanfc] #151881
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Sounds like the decision has already been made. Any idea what time of the year this would be as there are hurricanes in the Tampa area at this time of the year.I would go to Singapore or Malaysia if you could guarantee 12-15 knot every day instead of the drifters you usually get. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />



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We (the class) dont have a national association in Singapore or Malaysia. Before we have a national association there to submit a bid and run the event, I dont think it will happen.

Getting an association going in Singapore/Malaysia is something we really need! Not only becouse of the possibility of having a GC there but also becouse there are so many F16s there. Except for taipanfc and one other (ckuang?) we dont hear much from Singapore and it dont look like the local sailors are organizing to form a national association?


We have associations in the USA, GB, NL and AUS, so I think those are the countries where we will see GCs until some more come on line.

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Ratherbesailing,

Indeed, someone from the GC better answered this question right away (I'm not part of the GC however) as righ now we are getting in the unfounded rumour phase.

First with regard to Singapore. It was planned to have the first Global Challenge at Singapore, don't we all remember, But singapore cancelled at a late stage after which Zandvoort 2007 was the only possibility that could be arrange in the limited time that was left. I think Singapore was also left with a cancelled Taipan Nationals a few years earlier. In my personal opinion this is an issue to seriously consider. Personally I hear very good things about Singpore and it would be a very nice location to race.

Mumbles 2008. There was really only one contester for this year Global Challenge and that were the Brits. No other venue/club offered seriously to organise this years event and so Mumbles was selected as the venue without any class discussions.

Global Challenge 2009. I seem to remember that no official location has been set yet although it looks highly likely that this will be the USA. Again, because this proposal is the most developped one of all possibilities. Gulfport also has significant experiences in organising an event of this magnitude and VWM is nearby for support. I don't see any alternative venue of that calibre even on the "what if" page.

Global Challenge 2010 and beyond. The selection for these venues are still open. Australia has shown interest in these and I gether Singapore as well ? There is some discussion to have the Global Challenge every two years in order to boost participation and allow for more time to get things like transport to and from organised. Personally I think this to be a very good idea; I certainly can't justify going to a far off venue with my own boat each year. And I believe that a concept like having a GC every two years and a large event like the Europeans/North Americans in the other year is a much smarter setup.

So Ratherbesailing. If you want to get the F16 global challenge to Aus then work out a serious proposal and send it to the Governing Council. I'm sure they welcome it warmly. With regard to decision making. When you have really only one serious proposal for each year then there isn't much deciding to do. I think we have to give the GC some slack here. It is a big task getting something like this organised; we could just as easily have no Global Challenge.

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So Ratherbesailing. If you want to get the F16 global challenge to Aus then work out a serious proposal and send it to the Governing Council. I'm sure they welcome it warmly. With regard to decision making. When you have really only one serious proposal for each year then there isn't much deciding to do. I think we have to give the GC some slack here. It is a big task getting something like this organised; we could just as easily have no Global Challenge.

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Wouter,

That advice is simply wrong.

If an F16 member is keen to see a "global challenge" at their own sailing club or in their own country they should contact their local association, who would put together the submission to the GC on the sailors behalf.

The "rumor" mill is going into overtime here & maybe you should all wait until the GC meeting this saturday has occured as I believe there will be announcments regarding chmpionship rotation system & likely allocation over the next few years.

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Marcus said it. Go through national associations for it to happen.

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Indeed, someone from the GC better answered this question right away (I'm not part of the GC however) as righ now we are getting in the unfounded rumour phase.


If you are referring to me, I am not part of the Governing Council (GC) either. I am just trying to communicate my understanding of how the venue for a Global Challenge is choosen/decided. I was hoping that my message could start some small pebbles going downhill and make sailors decide to organize national associations and for others to join these. We need members and organisation, and we need it now! If anybody with a F16 here still have not applied for membership, go to http://formula16.org/ and join up. In the future that will be the only way to have a vote when things are decided.

Governing council have the following offices: Hans Klok as President, John Alani as secretary and Phill Brander as treasurer.

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If an F16 member is keen to see a "global challenge" at their own sailing club or in their own country they should contact their local association, who would put together the submission to the GC on the sailors behalf.



I stand corrected on that point then.

But basically the message of my earlier post remains unchanged. The GC is not dictatorial in these Global Challenge matters, they make the best of what is on offer to them which up till now has been one possible venue each time leaving very little to decide upon. If anybody is "unhappy" with this way of things then they should endeavour to provide the GC with a choice.

Thanks for setting me straight on this one Marcus !

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I agree fully with your post Rolf.

I read it only after I had posted my own so there is no reference to you in it.

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Re: global Challenge [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #151888
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Hi Rolf, with regards to an F16 association in Singapore, yes, you are right, there hasn't really been a move to form a national association as yet. I think part of the reason is due to the fact that all the F16s are already in one club, Changi Sailing Club, so the role of a national association, ie to help consolidate fleet members, organize regattas etc, are already being take care of by the sailing club.

It would be really nice to have a GC challenge here in Singapore. During the NE monsoon the winds get really good. Normally 15-20 knts consistent, warm waters and sailing club is less than 30 mins drive to town. Now if we can just rally all the local sailors together to help organize a GC <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Perhaps it would be easier to rally the sailors if you had an association in Singapore? I suppose there are other classes at your club as well? With an association in place, I would think there could be more structure, organization and opportunities? I would think an association to be a good strategy even if you are all in the same club.

My family would join me in a heartbeat if I began talking about going to Singapore for some sailing <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I can not afford to go yet but in 2.5 years the family budget should be a bit better. AUS is also a place I would like to travel to for an event. USA is not that exotic, but still..

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Ratherbesailing,

Indeed, someone from the GC better answered this question right away (I'm not part of the GC however) as righ now we are getting in the unfounded rumour phase.

First with regard to Singapore. It was planned to have the first Global Challenge at Singapore, don't we all remember, But singapore cancelled at a late stage after which Zandvoort 2007 was the only possibility that could be arrange in the limited time that was left. I think Singapore was also left with a cancelled Taipan Nationals a few years earlier. In my personal opinion this is an issue to seriously consider. Personally I hear very good things about Singpore and it would be a very nice location to race.

Mumbles 2008. There was really only one contester for this year Global Challenge and that were the Brits. No other venue/club offered seriously to organise this years event and so Mumbles was selected as the venue without any class discussions.

Global Challenge 2009. I seem to remember that no official location has been set yet although it looks highly likely that this will be the USA. Again, because this proposal is the most developped one of all possibilities. Gulfport also has significant experiences in organising an event of this magnitude and VWM is nearby for support. I don't see any alternative venue of that calibre even on the "what if" page.

Global Challenge 2010 and beyond. The selection for these venues are still open. Australia has shown interest in these and I gether Singapore as well ? There is some discussion to have the Global Challenge every two years in order to boost participation and allow for more time to get things like transport to and from organised. Personally I think this to be a very good idea; I certainly can't justify going to a far off venue with my own boat each year. And I believe that a concept like having a GC every two years and a large event like the Europeans/North Americans in the other year is a much smarter setup.

So Ratherbesailing. If you want to get the F16 global challenge to Aus then work out a serious proposal and send it to the Governing Council. I'm sure they welcome it warmly. With regard to decision making. When you have really only one serious proposal for each year then there isn't much deciding to do. I think we have to give the GC some slack here. It is a big task getting something like this organised; we could just as easily have no Global Challenge.

Wouter


Did I ask all those questions?

I'm also well aware the is no association in Singapore have sent the guy's PM's in the past to ask them to get stuck into this as they have no chance of hosting with out the association.

I don't care if the next global Challenge is in the USA. If it is make sure we no the dates and venue say a week after the event in mumbles. I'm looking to attend and need lots of time to organize time off work.(family are keen as well) Gulfport sound good 2 hours drive from Disney World this will keep family entertained while i go sailing.




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