| Nacra NAs news? #153360 08/25/08 02:27 PM 08/25/08 02:27 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams OP
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | As ever, just looking for some news. The official blog had the following post: Waves appx. 3 to 15 ft. N20 Alex & Nigel around "A" Mark
N20s started 11:15 .... Winds 15 to 18 Knots Followed by the F17s & F18s... No news after that is a bit scary. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> http://www.nacraclass.com/NCW2008/north_american.htm
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#153362 08/25/08 10:13 PM 08/25/08 10:13 PM |
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | I'm most interested in the 20 class, but the F17 results are interesting (and surprising). Are those results (F17) right? Does anybody know if Chris Bachelor is running a wing mast?
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#153363 08/26/08 07:06 AM 08/26/08 07:06 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | It's no secret that Wick and I like the breeze. There were times yesterday when the wind pressure dropped a little below our liking yesterday (waves were maybe 2 to 3 feet). For at least three of the five races, the wind was on at about 15 with some gusts a little higher. The 20 class has seen the usual strong showing by Nigel and Alex though they did have one bad race yesterday (as did most). Kurt Korte is really showing some great speed around the course as well. It was a long day with racing from about 11am to 5pm but the PRO (Matt Bounds) wisely chose to do so because the rest of the week had been forecast to be light. Wick and I raced pretty well and had great speed. The switching areas of pressure were a little tricky for everyone and there were a lot of hero or zero tactical decisions that went either way out there.
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#153366 08/27/08 06:52 AM 08/27/08 06:52 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Yeah - a very frustrating pair of races early as neither side was consistent and if you played the shifts, you ended up going without pressure (unless you really got into phase somehow). One leg, the left would have pressure but you had to deal with some chop. the next leg, the right had the pressure. At one point, the wind at A-mark and the committee boat were 60 degrees different. We did what we could to hang on in those conditions and won the first race, tanked the next, and as the pressure built toward the end of the third, dug out of a bad "way back" 12th place position to 4th in one lap. Once the wind was up, it was a matter of getting a clean start and avoiding mistakes. Alex and Nigel, sailing meticulously, are very tough to catch.
Chris Batchelor does have the new aluminum mast.
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#153367 08/27/08 10:09 AM 08/27/08 10:09 AM |
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Posts: 887 Crofton, MD | Thanks for the updates Jake Chris Batchelor does have the new aluminum mast. Were the class rules changed? | | | Re: Nacra NAs news?
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Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD Mark Schneider
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | Chris is sailing a 17.
Sorry Chris... no opening of the 20 class rules.
This is certainly an interesting time though.
You have A small niche class with 12 - 15 boats at nationals and another 12 to 15 boats that distance race and no real OD or distance circuit.
A huge price jump on carbon masts making the boats unobtanium.
A manufacturer run class which is now based in the EU... so... no local control
What is the proper way to manage the class. Nacra has three models.
Follow the Nacra 6.0 model... Basically stay with the class rules, reject all changes (NE spin package) until the platforms die.
Follow the Prindle 19MX model... (update the platform soft stuff.). The P19's and N5.8's changed the sail plans and then the class dies.
Follow the Nacra 17 model.... update the platform and switch out of the unobtanium carbon stick. Seems to be working out so far.
What do the sailors want from performance?
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#153369 08/27/08 11:39 AM 08/27/08 11:39 AM |
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Posts: 3,655 Portland, Maine | What do the sailors want from performance?
A cheaper carbon mast. PC/Nacra should move to a different supplier. If that means than the design changes, then I think that's a pill we'll have to swallow. | | | Re: Nacra NAs news?
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#153370 08/27/08 02:37 PM 08/27/08 02:37 PM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | If memory serves, Southern Spars makes those carbon sticks. Is there any way to source them here for less money? Can't PC license a company or sell them the molds/design specs?
Jay
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#153371 08/27/08 05:49 PM 08/27/08 05:49 PM |
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | If memory serves, Southern Spars makes those carbon sticks. Is there any way to source them here for less money? Can't PC license a company or sell them the molds/design specs? Jack says he's tried stateside but to no avail. Carbon is getting chaeper in China, go figure. Maybe that's where they should be built, cheap.(Bite my tongue).Then we'll be replacing them every race. I wish I'd never found out about the price hike, I find myself stressing over mast rotation more than ever. I've heard that the aluminum stick is only 4 lbs. or so heavier, if that's the case I'm all for it. It has more area which means they'd have to cut the sails down, but then again nothing else seems to be consistent one design( sails measure different, diff. booms, different tackers, different rudders,etc.) so why bother.
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#153375 08/28/08 06:54 AM 08/28/08 06:54 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | There is no aluminum mast anywhere for a Nacra 20 nor plans to make one. I'm not sure what they are planning, if anything, to address the price of the carbon stick but I'll try to ask that question tonight.
As far as the racing goes, there's nothing more painful or distracting than hearing 405 lbs of crew weight slapping the waves with the bottom of the hull while your competition flies over and above you full on double trapped and smooth as silk! Arrrrggg what a painful day. All day was light and then lightish. Big differences in pressure across the course. Mike Hill made a lot of great decisions yesterday and handily claimed our 3rd place position and is now knocking on the door for 2nd. We took a walloping yesterday because of our weight and just not choosing well.
Today, the breeze should be up although it's going to blow from the shore (South south east). It's guaranteed to be pretty gusty and shifty and will be an interesting end to the event!
Saw Mr. Curry at breakfast again this morning and he had his game face on.
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#153377 08/28/08 09:29 AM 08/28/08 09:29 AM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | There is no aluminum mast anywhere for a Nacra 20 nor plans to make one. I'm not sure what they are planning, if anything, to address the price of the carbon stick but I'll try to ask that question tonight. Would a domestic supplier be any cheaper? If so, then it really IS the shipping costs that are pushing the price up, not so much the carbon or labor costs... Could mast builders propose some quotes for building to PC for evaluation? THey could probalby place a bulk order for, say, 500 masts and then just pay a small charge for inventory storage. PC probably has relatively good data on how many masts they've had to buy each year, and could probably develop some idea of how many they'd use per year. I would have thought this would be one of their criteria for licensing builder(s). Get the bulk rate on a production run, rather than having to place individual orders each time someone calls. And if shipping it from Southern Spars to PC, and then to the customer adds so much cost, why not send the blank from Southern Spars (or whatever manufacturer) to the local authorized dealer directly and have them fit out to one design specs? That's why they're an "authorized dealer", right?
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#153378 08/28/08 03:58 PM 08/28/08 03:58 PM |
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | Thanks for keeping us up to date on the Happnins. How about someone start a new thread about the mast deal, it definitely needs to be discussed, and let's not Hijack this thread.
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The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
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#153379 08/28/08 04:19 PM 08/28/08 04:19 PM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | posted in the 20 thread.
Did the cost of other carbon masts go up that much as well? F17s?
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