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#156930 10/13/08 11:16 AM 10/13/08 11:16 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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#156931 10/13/08 11:17 AM 10/13/08 11:17 AM |
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL waterbug_wpb
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | If you're clear ahead, they can't really barge you. So get clear ahead and park if you need to...
Jay
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#156936 10/13/08 08:08 PM 10/13/08 08:08 PM |
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,528 Looking for a Job, I got credi... scooby_simon Hull Flying, Snow Sliding.... |
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Posts: 3,528 Looking for a Job, I got credi... | I have suffered from bargers and damage was done; took 8 months to sort out because the boat ABOVE ME did not apply the following rules-of-thumb and so then had to let the barger in and in the process damaged my boat
1, make it clear EARLY that the barger IS NOT GOING TO GET IN. I would suggest calling early (30 secs to go); "Hey <insdert sail number>, you will not get in here; I will take you high; you have no rights, there is no room" 2, If they continue..call them up again 3, "I am luffing in 5; you have no rights 4, 1,2,3,4,5 5, UP-UP-UP; you have no rights; I will have to alter course to AVOID you as you are barging in 3 seconds and I am counting down 6, 5-4-3-2-1 7, I have had to take avoiding action; protest.
I had the situation where the barger came in at speed and the boat above me DID NOT shut them out; they then sailed into me to avoid the barger; I could go no-where as I had boats below me and so there was a crunch; I was out of pocket for 8 months while it was resolved.
sailng can be hard when people don't know the rules.....
In summary
1, make it clear early that they are barging and you will not let them in 2, count down out loud so those around you can hear you 3, make it clear they will be breaking rules 4, PROTEST TO MAKE SURE THEY LEARN.
Last edited by scooby_simon; 10/13/08 08:08 PM.
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#158020 10/23/08 08:52 AM 10/23/08 08:52 AM |
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 807 Hillsborough, NC USA Isotope235
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Posts: 807 Hillsborough, NC USA | ... make it clear EARLY that the barger IS NOT GOING TO GET IN. This is good general advice. Although Rule 19 (room to tack at an obstruction) is the only rule of part 2 that requires a hail, the race goes much smoother if boats know each others' intentions. Surprise maneuvers in close quarters are rarely a good idea. That holds at roundings and crossings, as well as the start. Regards, Eric | | | Re: Barging
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#158022 10/23/08 09:44 AM 10/23/08 09:44 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | I watched a funny exchange between two top-level skippers at the F18s last week. One boat (W) was parked behind the committee boat when another boat (L) was creeping toward the line on a lay for the stern of the committee boat. Overlap ensued and after a eight or ten seconds, the conversation began.
L - "Keep it up, there."
W - "What?"
L - "Keep it up."
W - "I have nowhere to go."
L, laughing - "You can go straight into the committee boat for all I care, you've got no room."
W - "Well that would be just great fun for everyone, wouldn't it!"
L - "You can always bail, but you will keep it up."
W - "I see how you are! That's how they do it where you're from, huh!"
Starting horn
It was all I could do to keep my mind on my job - the exchange was hysterical and clearly the practiced banter between two front-of-the-fleet guys, one of whom had the clear and undisputed upper hand and the other of whom laughingly knew he was over a barrel. *Noodle*, that was funny.
John Williams
- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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