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Interesting poll at Sailing Anarchy #157799
10/21/08 08:21 AM
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Re: Interesting poll at Sailing Anarchy [Re: Lew_Sipfher] #157800
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What's interesting about it?


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Re: Interesting poll at Sailing Anarchy [Re: David Ingram] #157802
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The poll follows another long rant about US Sailing and their admin of the sport.

something about booting drunken kids at a regatta.

I think they even burned JW out on this one.


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Re: Interesting poll at Sailing Anarchy [Re: Mark Schneider] #157803
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Is it DoRag and DeltaBlues?

If so, they have nothing better to do than to make slanderous attacks on the US Sailing Administration beyond the pale of what would be classified "vigorous criticism".

Re: Interesting poll at Sailing Anarchy [Re: Mark Schneider] #157804
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I don't see a need to reply to that thread, really. I'm all for alternatives, though I doubt there are two people on all of SA that have the stones to get something new off the ground. I have had countless run-ins with US SAILING and my enthusiasm has waxed and waned many times over, but the clean-slate option hasn't ever really been viable since we struggle to have enough volunteers to administer even our small discipline of the sport. Ask Rick - NAMSA suffers from the same thing.

Don't get me wrong - I am extremely grateful to the people that made the meeting in St. Pete last Saturday while I was wrapping up F18s. There were even two Area representatives there. I'll start a new thread when the minutes are ready for everyone to look over and we'll have a thread to talk over some things that came up. I think, though, that if you talk with someone from the meeting you'll hear that we're in a little trouble - both our championships have faltered and there are multiple Areas where the Reps have stepped down without replacement, which means there are sailors without a voice in the Council and parts of the country where there will probably not be a qualifier run for the Alter Cup.

Anyway, the poll seems to indicate to me that there is someone who sees an opportunity to make a buck - three of the five questions are about money and marketing. Who knows? Maybe they'll fix everything, right?

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Re: Interesting poll at Sailing Anarchy [Re: John Williams] #157809
10/21/08 09:39 AM
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It wasn't all bad. The possiblity of the 11th medal coming back was encouraging. Heck it was worth attending just to get the feedback on that situation.

Oh and John... they LOVE you! I think if you left then we'd be in real trouble.



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Re: Interesting poll at Sailing Anarchy [Re: David Ingram] #157827
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what I thought was interesting is the response more that the poll itself

I don't believe the sport suffers from lack of volunteers. it suffers from apathy (see the Pcats thread) everyone complains to each other but there should be at least a letter-writing campaign going on or maybe a petition. same for ussailing.

Re: Interesting poll at Sailing Anarchy [Re: John Williams] #157902
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Originally Posted by John Williams
I don't see a need to reply to that thread, really. I'm all for alternatives, though I doubt there are two people on all of SA that have the stones to get something new off the ground. IAsk Rick - NAMSA suffers from the same thing.

Don't get me wrong - I am extremely grateful to the people that made the meeting in St. Pete last Saturday while I was wrapping up F18s. There were even two Area representatives there. I'll start a new thread when the minutes are ready for everyone to look over and we'll have a thread to talk over some things that came up. I think, though, that if you talk with someone from the meeting you'll hear that we're in a little trouble - both our championships have faltered and there are multiple Areas where the Reps have stepped down without replacement, which means there are sailors without a voice in the Council and parts of the country where there will probably not be a qualifier run for the Alter Cup.

Anyway, the poll seems to indicate to me that there is someone who sees an opportunity to make a buck - three of the five questions are about money and marketing. Who knows? Maybe they'll fix everything, right?

John, I could not agree with your sentiments more. If though we were to start a "new" organization, that would be NAMSA. I am not sure that there is enough support or volunteers to make that happen. I am for change from within. It is time to keep the pressure on from within and make your voice heard in a positive manner. Thanks for all of your hard work.


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Re: Interesting poll at Sailing Anarchy [Re: windswept] #157911
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I was at the USS meeting last Saturday. All the flaming may have burned some bridges.

"You catch more flies with honey, than with vinegar."- Mom.


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