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Rudder foils #159038
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I'm contemplating adding Stealth like foils to the rudders of my F18HT. Can anyone offer ballpark dimensions of those foils, and maybe sources for foils or fabrication ideas. I'm also wondering about the angle of attack of the foils. Are they parallel to the waterline? Or other reference? Anyone else done something like this? Is my best bet to save up a bunch of $s and buy a complete set up from John?
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Dave

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I also have an 18HT and would be interested in whatever you find out. Even if you resort to buying a set please post your results and where/who you found to make them.

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With the way the pound is just now, I'd have said the smart move would be a set from John_P.

His latest versions are incredibly light and yet still very stiff. You'll probably need longer tiller arms than are standard on the Stealth, but seeing as it's just carbon tube, John should be able to supply them to suit your boat.


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We should point out Eric that the dims and pic are of the 'old' foils. The new ones have much smaller T foils, the bottom of the rudder is tapered down to the T and the foil is effectively below the leading edge of the rudder rather than than the trailing edge.


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Originally Posted by Jalani
We should point out Eric that the dims and pic are of the 'old' foils.
I didn't know that there were 'new' and 'old' foils. My Stealth is not equipped with neither of them anyway...

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Well the F16's are a mild development class and these T-foils are continuously being refined by John Pierce and his company Stealth Marine (www.stealthmarine.co.uk).

You may also be able to get T-foil rudders of another builder related to the F16's. Darryl Barret and his son have a boat building company, did the F14 boat and I believe work together with Marcus Towell (www.formulacatamarans.com) on the Aussie Blade F16's.

You could try either one.

Wouter


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Hey John you own a newer Stealth F16 now !

Excellent ! I hope 538 renews your thrills

Nothing like a new and younger woman ehh boat to get the juices flowing again !

Wouter


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You guys are great, as always! I'll keeep you posted as thing progress.

Dave

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And you keep us posted !

I'm sure more of us are looking at T-foils for our own boats. I'm convinced they are an excellent addition to my Taipan F16 with fine bows.

Wouter


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Originally Posted by Jalani
We should point out Eric that the dims and pic are of the 'old' foils. The new ones have much smaller T foils, the bottom of the rudder is tapered down to the T and the foil is effectively below the leading edge of the rudder rather than than the trailing edge.


If I could find by battery charge for the camera, I'd take a picture of the new blades...


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The original Stealth HT had T foil rudders and was a pretty cool boat, I'm sure John still has the moulds etc. Perhaps get a number of you together and order in bulk, you may be surprised by the low cost as the pound has taken a bit of a battering of late against the dollar.

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I have the photo's on my computer but unfortunately don't have the knowledge on how to attach them since the Forum up grade...Something about URL addresses and webservers. Seems as if there'll be far fewer pictures posted here in the future.
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If you live in the USA you are 18% more likely to have a road accident today due to the Presidential Elections, and I guess that 'Thanks Giving' will be for the releif that it's all finally over ( unless there's a repeat of 2000). Good luck and may the best man win


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Mark, send them to me and I'll host them!


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Mark, click on the "file manager" on the full reply screen. Upload your images there and they will appear in your post.


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