Announcements
New Discussions
Best spinnaker halyard line material?
by '81 Hobie 16 Lac Leman. 03/31/24 10:31 AM
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Hop To
N5.7 Hydrodynamics #159363
11/04/08 12:39 PM
11/04/08 12:39 PM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 337
Arizona
AzCat Offline OP
enthusiast
AzCat  Offline OP
enthusiast

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 337
Arizona
Is that a word?
If a asymetrical hull pulls a hobie 16 uphill while going upwind, does a symmetrical skegged hull pull my 5.7 downhill when going upwind? or is it neutral in that respect?


Auscat MKV 444 A class
NACRA I-20- 440/CATHATKA
-- Have You Seen This? --
Re: N5.7 Hydrodynamics [Re: AzCat] #159367
11/04/08 12:52 PM
11/04/08 12:52 PM
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,430
california
F-18 5150 Offline
veteran
F-18 5150  Offline
veteran

Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,430
california
neutral . The skegs act as daggerboards, centerboards or as the flat side of an asymetric hull. an asymetric hull doesn't pull it gives a bite to stop slipping side ways. so the skegs are always in bite mode like an asymetric hull where as a dagger or centerboard boat you can take the bite out to allow slippage.

Last edited by hobie18rich; 11/04/08 12:53 PM.

Richard Vilvens
Brand Ambassador
PSA Capricorn USA
R.Vilvens@yahoo.com
Fairfield, Ca
F-18 5150

http://www.capricornsailing.com/
Re: N5.7 Hydrodynamics [Re: F-18 5150] #159615
11/05/08 11:40 PM
11/05/08 11:40 PM
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 217
J
jcasto1 Offline
enthusiast
jcasto1  Offline
enthusiast
J

Joined: May 2002
Posts: 217
disclaimer - I am not a naval architect, although I did drss up as one at Halloween.
As poster said, the effect of symmetrical hull shape is neutral in that its shape does not produce lift the same way as an asymmetrical hull shape does.
But you can use your leeward hull in a boardless boat to produce a kind of lift effect, almost an angle of attack effect, even if only temporary or rhytmically while going upwind.
Consider this - just as your sail has a center of effort (approximately the geometrical center of your sail area), your hulls also have a resistance to being pushed sideways in the water. Think about the projected shape/area of the underwater portion of your hulls, and how that shape changes if your weight is forward, vs weight near the back.
On a boat like the 5.7, with very long, straight hulls, compared to boats with a large daggerboard, you can more easily change the location of this "center of hydrodynamic resistance", relative to the center of effort of the sails, by moving crew weight forward or aft (the same hull shape with a centerboard will always have centerboard area at the same location, reducing the effect changing crew weight location on the change in hydronamic resistance location). More of the bow in the water, means sideways slip of the boat in the water is resisted more by the front part of the hulls than by the back part of the hulls. I think this change in the relative location of the two forces (sail force vs hydro force) is what allows a 5.7 with weight forward to point much higher than a 5.7 with weight back.

Although I suppose the above force analogy holds true for boats with asymmetrical hulls, most of them (H16, P16) have topside hull shapes that are prone to diggin in & pitchpole. NACRA hull shapes,especially 5.0 & 5/7, are great for burying the bow, since it's almost impossible to pitchpole. So you really get a lot of benefit from driving the bow in, without danger of pitchpole.

Note it's a lot easier to tack when the bows are not buried so deep in the water, you want the weight back, the skeg & rudder are close, and turning radius seems better when you only have 16ft of its total 19ft waterline in the water.

jim in austin
5.7 boardless & 5.5 boarded


Jim Casto
NACRA 5.5 & NACRA 5.7
Austin TX
Lake Travis

Moderated by  Damon Linkous 

Search

Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 741 guests, and 84 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
Darryl, zorro, CraigJ, PaulEddo2, AUS180
8150 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
Forum Statistics
Forums26
Topics22,405
Posts267,056
Members8,150
Most Online2,167
Dec 19th, 2022
--Advertisement--
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1