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Internal Barber Hauler #157624
10/19/08 09:56 PM
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The Good News: I am the proud new owner of a slightly used Prindle 19.

The Bad News: The Owners Manual from Performance Cats sux root.

After having searched all throughout the forums I think I have the 4-way
Jib controls figured out. With one exception. At some point in time a
previous owner installed the barber hauler system that runs INSIDE
the front cross beam. For the life of me I can find no information on
how this thing is rigged.

Can someone here help me out?

Lead me to the info?

Shoot me in the head??


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Re: Internal Barber Hauler [Re: ButchG] #157625
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seem to remember that airborne's nacra 5.2 also used an internal BH

try a search for a link to his many photos


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Airborne's internal hauler was his own design. The one I have is/was
a marketed optional/upgrade for cats. I remember it from wish books
in the early to mid '90's.


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Re: Internal Barber Hauler [Re: ButchG] #157649
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What would be the point? To simply clear the front crossbar of one more control line? The barberhauler never really gets in the way. The previous owner would have to have drilled out the front crossbar for line access. This would also no longer make the bar watertight - fun to right when water gets inside.

I would re-install the stock design which works fairly well by mounting the Harken cam-matic cleats to the top outside of the crossbar and plug/seal any drilled holes. In all honesty, the barberhauler is probably the LEAST used control line on the boat. It's only meant for pulling the clew of the jib to the outer edge of the crossbar for broadreach or downwind sailing. You can actually sail just fine without it.

IMHO.


Doug Bernstein
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Originally Posted by Doug_P182_LKN
What would be the point? To simply clear the front crossbar of one more control line? The barberhauler never really gets in the way. The previous owner would have to have drilled out the front crossbar for line access. This would also no longer make the bar watertight - fun to right when water gets inside.

I would re-install the stock design which works fairly well by mounting the Harken cam-matic cleats to the top outside of the crossbar and plug/seal any drilled holes. In all honesty, the barberhauler is probably the LEAST used control line on the boat. It's only meant for pulling the clew of the jib to the outer edge of the crossbar for broadreach or downwind sailing. You can actually sail just fine without it.

IMHO.


Some of what you say I agree with....most I don't. But thats for another post
and time. What ever we think, its there and budget considerations make rigging
what is there more important than changing it out.

I'll have some pics up tonight. Maybe that will jog someones memory.


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I think I had the Murray's aftermarket barberhauler (internal to front beam) system to which you refer, on an old 5.2.
Here's a decription.
System had two cleats, one on each end of front beam, mounted in front of a hole in the beam in which which was a "exit block". Asingle line ran though cleat, into exit block, through the beam and out the other exit block & cleat at other end. It was about 4-5' longer than beam. At each end of line, either a 2-3" ring, or a pulley with becket, grabbed the jibsheets. When you are on stbd tack, you pull the stbd side line, and cleat it. That pulls port side jib sheets out near the beam, instead of sheeting down/in on tramp.
When you tack, you have to first uncleat the barberhauler & release jib, change sides, pull in barberhauler on other side, then sheet in jib. Just two more things to screw up in a jibe.
I always thought it would be better to have one cleat that could pull both barberhauler lines outward at the same time, be set once at top of downwind leg, released at bottom, but I never rigged it tha way.


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Originally Posted by jcasto1

I always thought it would be better to have one cleat that could pull both barberhauler lines outward at the same time, be set once at top of downwind leg, released at bottom, but I never rigged it tha way.


The system sounds identical to the Hurricane 5.9 system using a block c/w becket at the ends to guide the jibsheets. On the 5.9 with the barber hauler length set up carefully the system self-uncleats when you sheet in on the new tack after gybing.

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Originally Posted by Cheshirecatman
Originally Posted by jcasto1

I always thought it would be better to have one cleat that could pull both barberhauler lines outward at the same time, be set once at top of downwind leg, released at bottom, but I never rigged it tha way.


The system sounds identical to the Hurricane 5.9 system using a block c/w becket at the ends to guide the jibsheets. On the 5.9 with the barber hauler length set up carefully the system self-uncleats when you sheet in on the new tack after gybing.

Cheshirecatman





Cheshirecatman

The H59 system was a re-set on each gybe, jcasto1 is talking about a system where you set both barberhaulers at the same time with a single cleat, so you pull one bit of rope, and both barberhaulers move the same amount.

The H59 system needs re-setting after each gybe.


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Re: Internal Barber Hauler [Re: scooby_simon] #159651
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Hi Simon,
at least the 5.9 setup removes the requirement to uncleat (often forgotten) and can easily be trimmed from either side. I also suspect barber hauling both sides at once may slow the sheet running through the blocks during gybing. Do you have a copy of the 5.9 manual showing the barber hauler arrangement to post here for ButchG as the diagram no longer appears on the website?

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Nope; got rid of my old copy!


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Re: Internal Barber Hauler [Re: Cheshirecatman] #159947
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Have one on my Taipan. It arrives at through block off centre in main beam and as one cord through a swiveling cam cleat. Pull one line and both haulers engage and can be trimmed from either side of boat at any time.

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Doug, P18-2,

You want your crossbars water tight?

Usually, there are so many lines inside the front and REAR crossbar, that in a capsize, they drain out equally as well.

NOt using the inside of the crossbars for things like trap bungees, downhauls, barberhaulers, reaching lines (aka chicken lines), etc. is a huge waste of potential space.

My Nacra 6.0, that I bought from a rigging shop owner in the area,
had the barberhauler all internal, where on a jib, you didn't have to do anything, it was on or not.
With the spins I ran though, it was NEVER used, only without spins and going deep, or Really light air.

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Originally Posted by Doug_P182_LKN
This would also no longer make the bar watertight - fun to right when water gets inside.


Unless you are turtled... i doubt you will get more than a cup of water in your beam.... water tight is really not needed here... IMHO


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