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New User/New sailor #160053
11/11/08 02:23 AM
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MD BlowBoater Offline OP
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Just saying hey to everyone on here.. I'm going to be needing a lot of your help!

I recently purchased a 1990 Nacra 5.8 and am currently working on getting it all refreshed and ready to sail.

[Linked Image]

Now, I have lived on the water and around boats my entire life, but I have 0 experience with a Nacra and only a little with a Hobie 16, so please bear with me.

What I have replaced so far:
-Cam Cleats on jib and main sail blocks.
-Here is why.[Linked Image]
-Main sheet and jib sheet lines.

This boat already has a double trapeze set up but needs shock cords return lines. Any advice on the length and width of these I will need?

It also need new shock cord to hold the dagger boards in place. Any advice on these size of these?

It came with a new tramp I need to lace on and all the shrouds and stay seems to be in good shape, as well as the diamond wires?

Any advice is GREATLY appreciated and I can't wait to sail it.

Thank you.

-I did think of another question. How should the bridle for the jib be attached to the hull? Cable? How ling? I will put a pic up tomorrow of how it currently is.

Last edited by MD BlowBoater; 11/11/08 02:26 AM.
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Re: New User/New sailor [Re: MD BlowBoater] #160063
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Use the search engine on this site and you will see a whole lot of Nacra 5.8 fans out there and check the Performance Catamarans site for the assembly manual. Also you'll get more resonse with a more specific thread title that mentions the 5.8 Ed


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Re: New User/New sailor [Re: MD BlowBoater] #160064
11/11/08 08:02 AM
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Trapeze shock cord 2 pcs 3/16" X 8'
Tramp back lace 1/4" X 10'
The dagger boards are held in place with side loaders do you have them?
Did your boat come with a bridal foil assembly? There are 2 versions of the nacra 5.8, a standard and a nacra 5.8NA the NA will have the bridal foil the standard will have just bridal wires

Re: New User/New sailor [Re: Hullflyer1] #160067
11/11/08 09:25 AM
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Just my preference, but it does work better...Use seperate shock cord for each trapeze and double the lenght(run to other side and back around a small block. The advantage is you or the crew can go around the forestay in a stuff and the shock cord will be long enough to not break. If it does break, then only 1 trapeze is flyng around loose instead of both side(if they were connected together).
Instead of shock cord for the daggers, glue in a piece of carpet to give the dagger well resistnace to the board. The shock cord will get inyour way, and the carpet is just a cleaner solution.

The bridle should be a seperate 2 piece cable witha connector plate tying them together in the middle. The forestay attaches to the plate. Some boats were retrofitted with an aluminum crosspiece(cant remeber the name) that the forestay attches to, bringing the tack of the jib lower.

One suggestion, take your mast off the boat and float it in the water. Anywhere it bubbles, seal it!

Godd luck, keep us posted, and always wear your pfd on a cat, especially if you are new to cats and its getting colder.

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Re: New User/New sailor [Re: dave mosley] #160069
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Note bridle foil on the ground in first photo.

Re: New User/New sailor [Re: Cheshirecatman] #160070
11/11/08 10:23 AM
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I think you have to read the "TEST" thread from beginning to end in order to complete your training, grasshopper...

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Re: New User/New sailor [Re: waterbug_wpb] #160073
11/11/08 11:10 AM
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Yep, as someone noted it does have the bridle foil. In the owners manual it looks like it is held on by cable but that is not the way the previous owner had it.

And it did come with the side loaders(is that the roller type thing?)

I will check the mast. My friends Hobie mast leaked like the Titanic and ended up weighing 300 pounds when it broke off one rough day. Lesson learned there!

Thanks for the help everyone.

Re: New User/New sailor [Re: MD BlowBoater] #160092
11/11/08 12:56 PM
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Welcome to the crowd Mr Blow Boater,

I'm a little short of time now but I will post in later on the N5.8 Jib Luff Thread .... please read it when I do and I'll explain how to rig a jib Luff Tensioner/Downhaul and install a bowfoil as I have done both on my P19MX, Ok. It's straight forward but no sense in you re-inventing the wheel.

Yes that "rollie thingie" is for the daggerboards ... it's usually attached/tied to the shroud/sidestay w/ the rollie part on the inside of the daggerboard pulling outboard.

Where are you on the Chesapeake Bay??? Ed/Lucky Duck is at Gailsville, Mark Schieder is at Pedickery Point, I'm over at Rock Hall YC ....

And one last little thing ... if you notice we all sign our posts w/ our names ... it is a matter of honor amongst us .... ( there have been "ISSUES" in the past w/ anonymous posters saying nasty things ....), so please be so kind as to sign your name.

I have to go now and get some work done outside while there is daylight to work in.

Sail Flat, Sail Fast, Sail Safe
Harry Murphey
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Re: New User/New sailor [Re: HMurphey] #160093
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Foil adjuster (to hull) part #9893, basicaly just a 10 hole shroud adjuster

Re: New User/New sailor [Re: HMurphey] #160095
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Originally Posted by HMurphey


And one last little thing ... if you notice we all sign our posts w/ our names ... it is a matter of honor amongst us .... ( there have been "ISSUES" in the past w/ anonymous posters saying nasty things ....), so please be so kind as to sign your name.



No offense, but I never sign with my name. And I'll probably never do. I'm not anonymous either as there are a number of people from my club on this board, and they can all vouch for me: I really exist! And if you look through my post you can find the club I'm sailing at and my sail number, or even the last regatta I went to and the results of it.

The reason for using an alias is not for lack of honor or to offend anyone but it is because my name is relatively unique and I don't want my sailing activity to register more than my professional activities in search results. ie, when my name is pushed into google I want my resume to pop up first, not some crazy idea I had related to sailing...

So please do not assume that all posters not using their real names are somewhat hiding for a nefarious purpose. There are reasons that could make us choose not to use our names.

Re: New User/New sailor [Re: pepin] #160101
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Pepin,

That's easy. Just misspell your name. My name is so common that I have 12 that work for my company alone. I get calls from bill collectors regularly looking for some dead beat Mike Hill. And, No it's not me.

Some people use their name and others don't. Certainly not to big of a deal unless you come in here looking for a fight.

Welcome to the site. There is a wealth of info here.

Your foil attaches to the hulls with two short wires. Then one long wire attaches to the bridle foil and to the main hound on your mast. There is some adjustable chain plate that attaches to the foil part and then you attach the main wire to that.

Good Luck. Do searches and ask specific questions and you will get good answers.

Mike Hill
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Re: New User/New sailor [Re: pepin] #160107
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And one last little thing ... if you notice we all sign our posts w/ our names ... it is a matter of honor amongst us .... ( there have been "ISSUES" in the past w/ anonymous posters saying nasty things ....), so please be so kind as to sign your name.


This is patently false and entirely misleading.

Whether or not we sign with our real names is irrelevant compared to the quality of the words and ideas that we post.

Re: New User/New sailor [Re: pepin] #160110
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Originally Posted by pepin
The reason for using an alias is not for lack of honor or to offend anyone but it is because my name is relatively unique and I don't want my sailing activity to register more than my professional activities in search results. ie, when my name is pushed into google I want my resume to pop up first, not some crazy idea I had related to sailing...



I COMPLETELY AGREE>>>> Pepin's ideas related to sailing are CRAZY!!!!! hehe...

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Hey Mike. Are my bill collectors calling you again? Just tell them I died, or is it that you died. Oh wait, my name is not Mike Hill. grin Seriously though, welcome to a fun group of knowledgable sailors.

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Re: New User/New sailor [Re: MD BlowBoater] #160131
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As a totally unbiased sailor I welcome you to the forum and acknowlege your superior ability to choose a cat. It took me a few different cats before I got the 5.8 and you managed to purchase the best catamaran ever made first time round grin.
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Re: New User/New sailor [Re: dave mosley] #160138
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Originally Posted by dave mosley
Just my preference, but it does work better...Use seperate shock cord for each trapeze and double the lenght(run to other side and back around a small block.


Dave, where are you securing the ends?

1 to the trap' handle ... other around the block [tied to opposite tramp lace] and back to ....? where?



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and back to ....? where?


Get jake to step in here and post his most excellent tramp bungie system. Its overkill but we use a toned-down version of it and it works great.

Re: New User/New sailor [Re: pepin] #160143
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Ok, MD Blow Boater,

I posted over on the thread "N5.8 Jib Luff Tensioner" some information you should find of value. I noticed in the pic you do not have a Jib Luff Tensioner Blocks installed on your bowfoil ... but it is a simple system to add that improves the boats performance and adjustablity/tuning

If you wish to look at my P19MX it is still rigged at Rock Hall YC for the next week or so before I pack her away for the winter. Bring a camera and you can take all the pic's you wish ... Sunday's are best as it is Goose Season and there is a Duck/Goose Blind 100' from the boat that is leased for the season on the property .... (a gentleman DOES NOT interfer w/ another gentleman's hunt)... there is no hunting allowed on Sundays

You can send me a PM if you wish ....

Harry Murphey

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Originally Posted by Undecided
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and back to ....? where?


Get jake to step in here and post his most excellent tramp bungie system. Its overkill but we use a toned-down version of it and it works great.

KISS, just tie it off on the opposite side tramp lacing where the rear beam and hull meet.


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Re: New User/New sailor [Re: HMurphey] #160145
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I forgot ... the idea above about increasing the trapize shock cord length is "KEY"

I tie two Harken Double Air Blocks to the underside of the tramp to the lacings at the rear corners .... string the 1/4" bungie from (for example) the "Skipper's trap starboard side, through the hull, then over diagonally to the double Harken Air Block on the port side, around/through the block then across the rear of the tramp to the starboard block, through that block continueing diagonally over to the port hull and through it to attach to the portside Skipper's trap. Repeat for the Crew's trap using the un-occupied pulleys in the double blocks. (origonally I had a bunch of single blocks tie on ... then I cleaned the system up by using double blocks

Harry Murphey

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