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11/17/08 03:14 PM 11/17/08 03:14 PM |
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Adelaide South Australia | We have the Maricat 5.0 Moulds for sale 1-Hull mould Deck mould Daggerboard case Rudder mould Daggerboard mould Jigs Priced to sell. Moulds are in excellent condition,they could easily be converted to F-16 specs. Please contact Warren at [email protected]p-07 3271 4944
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11/17/08 03:50 PM 11/17/08 03:50 PM |
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Last I heard BCC had proposed an "upgrade" to dagger boards etc but it had been voted against by the owners.
From memory (haven't seen one in 15 years) the hull shape was quite nice, it already sails 1 or two up.
Basic dimensions:
LOA 5.09M maximum
Beam 2.335M maximum
Sail Area
Main 14.00 SQ.M MAXIMUM
JIB 4.6 SCRAM maximum
Only downside is the boat has centre boards, not dagger boards, but that could be fixed along with an 86mm thick plant at the transom. Stuart (I know you'll check this), depending on price and condition this could be a great way to kick start the WA fleet.
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Last I heard BCC had proposed an "upgrade" to dagger boards etc but it had been voted against by the owners.
From memory (haven't seen one in 15 years) the hull shape was quite nice, it already sails 1 or two up.
Basic dimensions:
LOA 5.09M maximum
Beam 2.335M maximum
Sail Area
Main 14.00 SQ.M MAXIMUM
JIB 4.6 SCRAM maximum
Only downside is the boat has centre boards, not dagger boards, but that could be fixed along with an 86mm thick plant at the transom. Stuart (I know you'll check this), depending on price and condition this could be a great way to kick start the WA fleet.
Boat is too long by 90mm (9cm) F16 max in 5m
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11/17/08 04:33 PM 11/17/08 04:33 PM |
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Boat is too long by 90mm (9cm)
F16 max in 5m
isn't that where scarecrow was going with this? "Plug" the mould? but that could be fixed along with an 86mm thick plant at the transom
John H16, H14
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11/18/08 01:16 AM 11/18/08 01:16 AM |
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Hobart, Tasmania, Oz. | Why would you put so much time and effort into building a boat with such a dated design.
the BCC being money hungry gimps will want way too much for them anyway.
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Adelaide, South Australia | I actually agree with Dazz: Why would you put so much time and effort into building a boat with such a dated design. The only reason I can think of to build F16 from these molds would be to save money. How much money are you really going to save? How much do blade or taipan plans cost? The fibreglass, epoxy, hardware, spars, ropes and sails all cost the same amount with a new design and an old one.
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Hobart, Tasmania, Oz. | Sorry I'm not bitter, just realistic.
The hulls are a major part of putting a new boat together, BUT if your going to put out a $20k boat would you really want to handicap yourself with a yesteryear design?
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11/18/08 04:55 AM 11/18/08 04:55 AM |
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Central Coast NSW Australia | I thought the whole idea of formula sailing, is, the more the merrier.
We should be encouraging people get on board.
The Mari 5 meter is not that far off the mark for someone in the trade.
Another optimised F16 brand in Australia is something I personally love to see.
Teach them how to think.
Not what to think.
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UK | Why would you put so much time and effort into building a boat with such a dated design.
Some people call the Tornado an old design, but look where it stands now with its modern rig. Put an updated/class-optimised rig on the Maricat and how do you think it will perform? It has already been done in F16 with the Taipan and Stealth!!! It could be a great opportunity for a group of like minded sailors to get together and build their own 'club fleet' at reasonable cost. Cheshirecatman | | | Re: could these be converted to F16?
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11/18/08 03:03 PM 11/18/08 03:03 PM |
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| The only reason I can think of to build F16 from these molds would be to save money. How much money are you really going to save? How much do blade or taipan plans cost? The fibreglass, epoxy, hardware, spars, ropes and sails all cost the same amount with a new design and an old one. I'm not actually advocating doing this, for me its just an interesting thought process, But the saving is on the time/labour. With a set of moulds its not unreasonable to suggest that you could build the entire boat in two weekends. I work for myself in a charge out industry, so I value my time very highly. If you're on a salary your priorities might vary. With a new rig and foils this boat would be within 2% of the existing F16 designs. Anyone who argues differently probably has an alternate product to sell. | | | Re: could these be converted to F16?
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11/18/08 04:11 PM 11/18/08 04:11 PM |
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| Wayne, once you have the hulls and foils ready what do you see as the next biggest job?
If you have a full set of mouldings (hulls, foils etc) after two weeks. Assuming you're buying sails, Tramp, kite chute and back beam and have pre-planned your fitout you should be on the water by the end of the month. How many man hours do you think Hobie or Nacra put into an F18? | | | Re: could these be converted to F16?
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11/18/08 05:15 PM 11/18/08 05:15 PM |
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Essex, UK | Many years ago I acquired a pair of 'reject' Tornado hulls from Reg White. They were structurally sound but cosmetically bad and also had some ripples. We didn't care what they looked like though and 4 of us built them into a complete boat in a weekend!
The only pre-fitted out component was the mast as this was secondhand everytrhing else was brand new. My brother-in-law sailed it reasonably successfully at club level for a couple of years before selling it on.
The point is, if you're organised and know what you're doing, once you've got all the components together building a boat in 2 weeks is easily doable.
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The point is, if you're organised and know what you're doing, once you've got all the components together building a boat in 2 weeks is easily doable.
Building is possible. If you are using the same tramp, beams, rudders, boards rigging and attachment fittings, only. Should you just have a set of hull molds, sourcing new harware, tramps and developing systems that work and a new layout will eat up a lot of time. | | |
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