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#171044 03/09/09 10:12 PM 03/09/09 10:12 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | well, even if you had some of the more experienced folks physically looking at it, chances are it would take them a little while to sort it all out. Many people rig their boats differently.
If you could post some photos of the blocks you're trying to sort out, we may be able to help with that from here.
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Posts: 1,459 Annapolis,MD | This is edgerock sailin on my friends name and i am from Baltimore, Maryland. I plan to contact the previous owner but was hoping somewhere on the forum existed some pictures already. If anyone has a nacra 5.8/6.0 in the area i would be glad to come look at it. My friend has also recently purchased a 5.8 and could use some advice as well. I am slowly starting to figure it out but am just looking to make sure everything is proper and in the right place. Thank you to all that can help. My 6.0 is sitting in my front yard. You're welcome to come see it and talk about set up - I live in Cape St. Claire near the Bay bridge. We've had a few in our Fleet, so there's more than one person in the area to talk to, or sail with for that matter. The blocks on the bow foil are for the jib luff tension. The jib halyard connects to the blocks, the line from the blocks goes back to a cam cleat on the main beam. Check us out if you're looking for help or to go sailing - West River Catamaran Racing Association | | | Re: Nacra 6.0 rigging help
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#171240 03/11/09 07:42 AM 03/11/09 07:42 AM |
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Posts: 606 Maryland | We've had a few in our Fleet Unless Baker decided to turn his into a yard ornament or is developing his own private fleet of cats during this past winter (Keith), you can see his 6.0 during this season's races on the West River.
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#171256 03/11/09 09:24 AM 03/11/09 09:24 AM |
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Posts: 2,844 42.904444 N; 88.008586 W | Enjoy,
It's a great boat, fast on many points of sail, some drawbacks, especially with the spin, as in a huge barn door jib, etc. Hard for any boat to beat it on a true reach however.
The pics of someones former 6.0, do not show the factory '4-way jib system', but rather gommets in the tramp for the jib block. This could be an advantage when rigging the spin however, and I'm pretty sure thats whay it is rigged that way. Looks good.
Just like your old boat, so much can be said about rigging, etc. Take your time, sounds as though you will use sound advice, and don't be to afraid to try some different rigging from time to time and see the results.
As said, the blocks on the foil, are for jib luff tensior while on the fly. I had a furler on mine, and rarely ever used this for this purpose.
My avatar is me on my former N6.0na, with a homemade plastic tube snuffer (behind the windward hull in the pic), which I made after mye N20 syle E-O snuffer (shown in a pic), was dragged under again and again during a distance race when the spin was in the snuffer.
You have some great advice here, good luck and enjoy you 6.0.
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#171518 03/12/09 05:04 PM 03/12/09 05:04 PM |
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Posts: 1,203 uk | Re the blocks on the rotation spanner; a line ties off on a pad eye on starboard side of the beam, go through the block on the port side of the spanner and back to a cleat on the starboard side of the beam via the cheek block next to the pad eye. Mirror this for the other side of the boat. this is so that you can pull a line from the tramp and the mast will rotate to 90 degrees [along the beam] when sailing down wind. REMEMBER to release each time you gybe!
These can also be used to over-rotate a bit upwind in light airs. Remember to let them off each time you tack!
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Posts: 1,203 uk | RE cleat here; look up the delux 4-way jib system in the Nacra europe manual [earlier post]
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Posts: 1,203 uk | Re extra downhaul cleats; The blocks that are at the top of each side of the downhaul don't just shackle to the tack of the mainsail. Tie a strong line to each and pass line through tack eye to jam in cleat on each opposite side of mast. this doubles the purchase. Get the right size line or it either won't stay in cleat or the opposite!
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#171521 03/12/09 05:16 PM 03/12/09 05:16 PM |
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Posts: 1,203 uk | I think that the Na had a double set of diamond wires and some of the extra metalwork on the mast may relate to this. Us europeans didn't need a longer mast to go fast so I will leave it to some of your brethren to fill us both in on this one! Otherwise it may be the result of spinnaker experimentation.
the big cleats on the front beam that face foward and outboard are for jib sheet barber haulers. They are to change the sheeting angle when sailing downwind. Again, look at the rigging manual
The gap in the beam straps does not look normal, but should be ok as long as the straps are in good shape.
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#171522 03/12/09 05:23 PM 03/12/09 05:23 PM |
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Posts: 2,844 42.904444 N; 88.008586 W | I recognized what every cleat, block, etc. was intended for in the original 6.0na. There are a few extra things, like multiple spin halyard heights, etc.
The block on the rear beam was porbably used as a rudder uphaul.
The larger cam cleats on the front beam are for the barberhauler system. You definitely need a copy of the older N5.8/6.0na manual. The smaller ones and the blocks on the rotator arm of for the 2 to 1 rotator system.
The jam cleats on the mast, are for the cascading part of the main downhaul.
The outboard jam cleat by the daggerboard on the hull are for the stock 4 way jib system. Not seen on this boat. If you put the jib blocks on the hull on the track, you will loose a lot of pointing ability. (thats why the other 6.0 pictured had the jib blocks on the tramp, even though the stock 4 way system was not used)
My 6.0 had some plastic shims in the gap of the beam straps to take up most of that space you see in yours. In some hairy conditions, those edges can be real dangerous.
Sounds like you have very knowledgeable people in your area willing to help.
PS, someone mentioned the stock over-rotator for the mast, NOt being used when flying the spin. I disagree, it should also be used with the spin up, especially in big wind.
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#171523 03/12/09 05:27 PM 03/12/09 05:27 PM |
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Posts: 2,844 42.904444 N; 88.008586 W | PS, Trust me on this one, you may want to change out all the beam stap bolts. They DO break. Get the right case hardening. Don't just anuy size bolt that will thread will thread. Has to be the right grade. Use snti seize also.
I remember someones breaking in an East coast race, and mine broke offshore on a training run for the Great Texazs 300 years ago.
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Posts: 1,459 Annapolis,MD | I think the cleats on the rear beam are actually rudder downhaul. I believe that used to be referred to as the Aussie rudder system - one of our 5.8s used a similar system. It gives more control over the rudders, but you lose the auto pop-up the stock system has. The eye straps next to them are most likely for the spin sheet blocks - although they're not the best angle for that (they could also be the dead end of the rudder line). On the port side of your front beam - the little cam cleat is for the jib luff tension.
The mast is a little odd with all the different halyard attachments. The two up top are most likely for two different size head sails. The one below the hounds almost looks like it was put there for the jib - definitely not stock.
Todd is spot on about the jib blocks being on the hull track and losing pointing. After playing with settings a bunch (stock 4-way system and stock sails), I found that for upwind I wanted the jib blocks almost in to the hiking straps and back enough for some jib twist (depending on conditions). For downwind I left the blocks in the same place and merely barberhauled all the way to beam end, for reaching somewhere in between.
I also agree with Todd on the mast rotation control - use it for all points of sail. But don't forget to release it during tacks and jibes... How to rig the rotator - on your front beam on either side of the mast step is an eye strap and a turning block, then a cam cleat at the base of the barberhauler cleat. Dead end the line at the eye, run it through the opposite block on the rotator, back through the turning block, and then out through the cleat. You can run a long line and use the other end of it for the other side. When you're done rigging it, the lines from each side should cross each other under the rotator on the way to the blocks and back.
As Todd said, the cleats on the mast near the downhaul are for cascading parts of the downhaul. I don't use them on the downhaul setup on my 6.0, but we do use them on the downhaul on our N-20.
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#171544 03/12/09 08:13 PM 03/12/09 08:13 PM |
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Posts: 2,844 42.904444 N; 88.008586 W | Thanks for going into to some of that a bit further Keith.
You definitely could be right about the cleat on the rear beam. I had that on my 6.0 when I got it as 2nd owner, but adapted the system off of a site here, forgot which one, that had great pics of a system that does away with the bungie, and puts a jam cleat on the tiller arm. Then it uses an uphaul line, while still using the thing Nacras use, forgot the name of the pop up sleeve. You've problably had or seen this set up as well.
This will have him going in no time.
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