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Mainsheet Replacement #17240
03/12/03 10:46 AM
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With all the new cordage available is there any consenses on replacing stock poly mainsheet. Boat currently has 1/2" sheet that swells with water, is heavy, and resists running freely. What experience does anyone have with new materials? Do they kink more easily, too slipery, wear faster? Please describe core and cover characteristics. Looking to go down to 7/16" line on standard 57mm Inter 20 blocks.

Bruce

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Re: Mainsheet Replacement [Re: Catalyst] #17241
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Spectra Yacht Braid seems to be the state of the art (and 3x more expensive)

Re: Mainsheet Replacement [Re: Catalyst] #17242
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I use yale cordage for my I-20. It floats, does not retain water, and is very comfortable to handle. I went down to a smaller size and find it to be much more enjoyable while sheeting in/out. (5/16")....

It can be a little costly, but I think it is worth it.

Re: Mainsheet Replacement [Re: Inter_Michael] #17243
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Would you recommend the Warpspeed, Samson 3/8" and strip the cover for the amount of sheet that will remain in the Blocks or 5/16 and strip the polyester cover?

Re: Mainsheet Replacement [Re: jonr] #17244
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I used the Samson 3/8" Ultra-Lite on my 6.0 for both the main and jib sheets. I've very happy with it's non-water absorption (it does absorb a little) but I haven't tried to taper or splice it.


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Re: Mainsheet Replacement [Re: jonr] #17245
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Warpspeed doesn't run through blocks very well until its flexed, stretched and worked extensively.

Re: Mainsheet Replacement [Re: MauganN20] #17246
03/17/03 09:37 AM
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Warpspeed is the strongest, least stretch line available at the time and is probably the best choice for most sheets, including main, jib and spinnaker.
While 3/8" is usually recommended, 5/16 will do the job even better, particularly if you use the new Harken Carbo Ratchamatic Systems.
I just put the 8:1 system on my Taipan 4.9 using 3/8" Warpspeed (should have used 5/16) and the line runs very easily through the block system.

Also, just replaced the Harken cleats with a Spinlock and that seems to work really well also. Getting the right angle was important so you could snap the sheet in and out while on the trapeze.
So far it all works much better than what I was using before.
By the way, this site is now carrying all of those items in our OnLine Store. (Ad Police: This is my site, you understand )
Rick


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Re: Spinlock/ Mainsheet Replacement [Re: RickWhite] #17247
03/17/03 11:25 AM
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Rick: Does the Spinlock still work well if the triple block wants to turn away from you when travelled way out, and sheeted in tight? This is particularly for the older Harken 8:1 stock Hobie 20 system. PS: do you know why it does this?

I suppose this involuntary rotation away from the skipper has improved using your new Rachamatic system.


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Haven't Noticed it Turning Away [Re: dacarls] #17248
03/17/03 12:14 PM
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With the new system, it comes with a small metal piece for the top and bottom blocks that hold the blocks pretty much straight in line. Obviously, that would not do if you are off to one side or the other.
So, first thing you do is remove those so both the upper and lower blocks swivel. In doing so, I have never seen them want to turn away from me.
I do know I want to adjust the Ratchamatic blocks so there is a little more drag on them when the load eases -- tea-bagged myself a couple of times on my first try out with them, but on the other hand my tacks were awesome now that the sheet runs out easily and allows for the leech to ease and let the boat continue through the turn. Haven't made the adjustment yet and guess I won't for a week or so -- heading to Saipan to teach a seminar out there. Hope I don't get that new dreaded flu in the process.
Take care,
Rick


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Re: New "flu" = SARS [Re: RickWhite] #17249
03/19/03 02:05 PM
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Arkansas, USA
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Rick-

Don't mean to be an alarmist, but I just got the following at my "real job" here at a Hospital in the U.S.. With your note regarding the Far East andyour upcoming visit I thought this might be of some interest to you and any recent travelers there on this forum. Not trying to disparage that lovely part of the World, there are plenty of nasty diseases from elsewhere, just that this one is new and still relatively unknown-

Kirt Simmons


March 17, 2003

TO: All Hospital Administrators and Chiefs of Staff

PLEASE DISTRIBUTE TO ALL PHYSICIANS ON YOUR STAFF

CDC Issues Health Alert About Atypical Pneumonia

Atlanta: In response to reports of increasing numbers of cases of an
atypical pneumonia that the World Health Organization (WHO) has called
Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), the Centers for Disease Control
and Prevention (CDC) today announced several steps to alert US health
authorities at local and state levels.

CDC activated its emergency operations center on Friday, March 14, upon
learning of several cases reported in Canada among travelers recently
returned from Southeast Asia and their family members.

CDC has been working with the World Health Organization (WHO) since late
February to investigate and confirm outbreaks of this severe form of
pneumonia in Viet Nam, Hong Kong, and parts of China. No cases have been
identified to date in the United States.

"The emergence of two clusters of this illness on the North American
continent indicates the potential for travelers who have been in the
affected areas of Southeast Asia to have been exposed to this serious
syndrome," said Dr. Julie L. Gerberding, CDC Director. "The World Health
Organization has been leading a global effort, in which CDC is
participating, to understand the cause of this illness and how to prevent
its spread. We do know that it may progress rapidly and can be fatal.
Therefore, we are instituting measures aimed at identifying potential cases
among travelers returning to the United States and protecting the people
with whom they may come into contact."

The WHO issued a global alert about the outbreak on March 12, cautioning
that the severe respiratory illness may spread to hospital staff. No link
has been made between this illness and any known influenza, including the
"bird flu" (A[H5N1]) outbreak reported in Hong Kong on February 19.

Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS)
Interim Information and Recommendations for Health Care Providers

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the World Health
Organization have received reports of patients with severe acute respiratory
syndrome (SARS) from Canada, China, Hong Kong Special Administrative Region
of China, Indonesia, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, and Vietnam. The
cause of these illnesses is unknown and is being investigated. Early
manifestations in these patients have included influenza-like symptoms such
as fever, myalgias, headache, sore throat, dry cough , shortness of breath,
or difficulty breathing. In some cases these symptoms are followed by
hypoxia, pneumonia, and occasionally acute respiratory distress requiring
mechanical ventilation and death. Laboratory findings may include
thrombocytopenia and leukopenia. Some close contacts, including healthcare
workers, have developed similar illnesses. In response to these
developments, CDC is initiating surveillance for cases of SARS among recent
travelers or their close contacts.

Case Finding
Clinicians should be alert for persons with onset of illness after February
1, 2003 with:

* Fever (>38° C)
AND
* One or more signs or symptoms of respiratory
illness including cough, shortness of breath, difficulty breathing,
hypoxia, radiographic findings of pneumonia, or respiratory distress
AND
One or more of the following:
* History of travel to Hong Kong or Guangdong Province in
People's Republic of China, or Hanoi, Vietnam, within seven days of symptom
onset
* Close contact with persons with respiratory illness having
the above travel history. Close contact includes having cared for, having
lived with, or having had direct contact with respiratory secretions and
body fluids of a person with SARS.

Diagnostic Evaluation
Initial diagnostic testing should include chest radiograph, pulse oximetry,
blood cultures, sputum Gram's stain and culture, and testing for viral
respiratory pathogens, notably influenza A and B and respiratory syncytial
virus. Clinicians should save any available clinical specimens (respiratory,
blood, and serum) for additional testing until a specific diagnosis is made.
Clinicians should evaluate persons meeting the above description and, if
indicated, admit them to the hospital. Close contacts and healthcare workers
should seek medical care for symptoms of respiratory illness.

Infection Control
If the patient is admitted to the hospital, clinicians should notify
infection control personnel immediately. Until the etiology and route of
transmission are known, in addition to standard precautions(1), infection
control measures for inpatients should include:

* Airborne precautions (including an isolation room with
negative pressure relative to the surrounding area and use of an N-95
respirator for persons entering the room)
* Contact precautions (including use of gown and gloves for
contact with the patient or their environment)

Standard precautions routinely include careful attention to hand hygiene.
When caring for patients with SARS, clinicians should wear eye protection
for all patient contact.

To minimize the potential of transmission outside the hospital, case
patients as described above should limit interactions outside the home until
the epidemiology of illness transmission is better understood. Placing a
surgical mask on case patients in ambulatory healthcare settings, during
transport, and during contact with others at home is prudent.

Treatment
Because the etiology of these illnesses has not yet been determined, no
specific treatment recommendations can be made at this time. Empiric therapy
should include coverage for organisms associated with any community-acquired
pneumonia of unclear etiology, including agents with activity against both
typical and atypical respiratory pathogens (2). Treatment choices may be
influenced by severity of the illness. Infectious disease consultation is
recommended.

Reporting
Healthcare providers and public health personnel should report cases of SARS
as described above to their state or local health departments.

For more information contact your state or local health department or the
CDC Emergency Operations Center 770-488-7100(-this is 24/7). Updated
information will be available at
/ncidod/sars

References

1. Garner JS, Hospital Infection Control Practices Advisory Committee.
Guideline for isolation precautions in hospitals. Infect Control Hosp
Epidemiol 1996;17:53-80, and Am J Infect Control 1996;24:24-52.

2. Bartlett JG, Dowell SF, Mandell LA, File Jr, TM, Musher DM, and Fine MJ.
Practice Guidelines for the Management of Community-Acquired Pneumonia in
Adults. Clin Infect Dis 2000;31:347-82.
.pdf>


Text of a travelers' health alert card:

HEALTH ALERT NOTICE
FOR INTERNATIONAL TRAVELERS ARRIVING IN OR RETURNING TO THE USA FROM HONG
KONG AND GUANGDONG PROVINCE, PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA, AND HANOI, VIETNAM

TO THE TRAVELER: During your recent travel, you may have been exposed to
cases of severe acute respiratory disease syndrome. You should monitor your
health for at least 7 days. If you become ill with fever accompanied by
cough or difficulty in breathing, you should consult a physician. To help
your physician make a diagnosis, tell him or her about your recent travel to
these regions and whether you were in contact with someone who had these
symptoms. Please save this card and give it to your physician if you become
ill.

TO THE PHYSICIAN: The patient presenting this card may have recently
traveled to Hong Kong or Guangdong Province in the People's Republic of
China or Hanoi, Vietnam, where cases of atypical pneumonia have been
identified. If you suspect atypical pneumonia (also being called severe
acute respiratory disease syndrome [SARS]), please contact your city,
county, or state health officer (see or call
the CDC Emergency Operations Center 770-488-7100).




Kirt Simmons Taipan #159, "A" cat US 48
Re: New "flu" = SARS [Re: Kirt] #17250
03/19/03 02:24 PM
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I've got a bunch of guys that travel internationally and we're keeping tabs on it too. Truth is that there have been only 10 related deaths in Asia and these were mostly weak folks to begin with. It looks like it's actually a virus now that is resistant to antibiotics but is transmitable to people with close contact to infected persons (hospital staff / family). Our Asia-bound folks have been informed of the symptoms but we aren't treating it as a very serious ordeal - yet.


Jake Kohl
Re: New "flu" = SARS [Re: Kirt] #17251
03/19/03 05:35 PM
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Kirt,
I just talked to the seminar hosts, and they say the new "flu" has not gotten to Saipan yet. Thanks for your concern. I have been worried about it, too.

Re: FLuzies [Re: RickWhite] #17252
03/19/03 06:10 PM
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Whew- either copy all that and take it along--- or just avoid breathing on the plane!
My wife and I both got some crud on the plane to Brisbane last October. Both flat for 4 days with respiratory distress, terrible cough and gurgling. Ick. Wear a mask.


Dacarls:
A-class USA 196, USA 21, H18, H16
"Nothing that's any good works by itself. You got to make the damn thing work"- Thomas Edison
Re: Haven't Noticed it Turning Away [Re: RickWhite] #17253
03/20/03 07:16 AM
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Hey Rick-

I got my 12:1 yesterday, reeved the sheet [drawing has arrows going both ways on the same line...just a little visual blur] , etc. They are lighter than the 3" double fiddle blocks on my ARC22 but are as well made and cost about 60% as much so I'm happy. I can't figure out how to adjust the drag??? I plan to use the carbo's on my cat and the 3" fiddles on my tri.

thommerrill

also the job is in Largo not Key Largo...thanks for the info.


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