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Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: Chris9] #178204
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Wouldn't there have to be a rule allowing it?

I think there would have to be a rule DISallowing paddles. And I can't imagine that happening, because paddles are a safety feature. In fact, I think the boats should all be REQUIRED to carry at least one.

In many other years of this race and the Worrell and others, the teams that had paddles were always best able to get through surf in light air.

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Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: Mary] #178205
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I do recall seeing one paddle strapped to a boom in one of the photos. Don't recall which boat though. I think it was one of the blue/green ones.
Haven't seen a photo with one deployed though. It doesn't take a whole lot of wind at all to be more effective than paddling.

Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: Brian_Mc] #178208
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Originally Posted by Brian_Mc
Mary, Good point. I try to always carry a paddle, and am surprised not to see them...?


I carry 2 - a full sized wood one that fits in my back tramp pocket (full lenght pocket) and a collapsible 1 in my front tramp for the rare event i have crew and lose wind. 1 time i had 3 crew (plus me) all passing a single paddle around... boy that was a slow ride home (wouldnt ya know it.. it cranked up to 15 just as i hit the beach.

Despite having paddles on board i was beat to shore 1 time by a guy using has cooler top as a paddle~! BLAST!

Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: Mary] #178209
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Originally Posted by Mary
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Wouldn't there have to be a rule allowing it?

I think there would have to be a rule DISallowing paddles. And I can't imagine that happening, because paddles are a safety feature. In fact, I think the boats should all be REQUIRED to carry at least one.

In many other years of this race and the Worrell and others, the teams that had paddles were always best able to get through surf in light air.


But unless premitted you are not ALLOWED to paddle when RACING


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Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: Mary] #178210
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Here is what I was thinking, AND I agree with you that they should be allowed and incourage to carry paddles:

42 PROPULSION
42.1 Basic Rule
Except when permitted in rule 42.3 or 45, a boat shall compete by
using only the wind and water to increase, maintain or decrease her
speed. Her crew may adjust the trim of sails and hull, and perform
other acts of seamanship, but shall not otherwise move their bodies
to propel the boat.
42.2 Prohibited Actions
Without limiting the application of rule 42.1, these actions are
prohibited:
(a) pumping: repeated fanning of any sail either by pulling in and
releasing the sail or by vertical or athwartship body movement;
(b) rocking: repeated rolling of the boat, induced by
Part 4 OTHER REQUIREMENTS WHEN RACING
21
(1) body movement,
(2) repeated adjustment of the sails or centreboard, or
(3) steering;
(c) ooching: sudden forward body movement, stopped abruptly;
(d) sculling: repeated movement of the helm that is either forceful
or that propels the boat forward or prevents her from moving
astern;
(e) repeated tacks or gybes unrelated to changes in the wind or to
tactical considerations.
42.3 Exceptions
(a) A boat may be rolled to facilitate steering.
(b) A boat’s crew may move their bodies to exaggerate the rolling
that facilitates steering the boat through a tack or a gybe, provided
that, just after the tack or gybe is completed, the boat’s
speed is not greater than it would have been in the absence of
the tack or gybe.
(c) Except on a beat to windward, when surfing (rapidly accelerating
down the leeward side of a wave) or planing is possible, the
boat’s crew may pull the sheet and the guy controlling any sail
in order to initiate surfing or planing, but only once for each
wave or gust of wind.
(d) When a boat is above a close-hauled course and either stationary
or moving slowly, she may scull to turn to a close-hauled
course.
(e) A boat may reduce speed by repeatedly moving her helm.
(f) Any means of propulsion may be used to help a person or
another vessel in danger.
(g) To get clear after grounding or colliding with another boat or
object, a boat may use force applied by the crew of either boat
and any equipment other than a propulsion engine.
(h) Sailing instructions may, in stated circumstances, permit propulsion
using an engine or any other method, provided the boat
does not gain a significant advantage in the race.
Note: Interpretations of rule 42 are available at the ISAF website
(www.sailing.org) or by mail upon request.


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Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: Chris9] #178215
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Rule 10.5 of the TB500 SI allows paddles.


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Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: P.M.] #178216
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Cool. Rule allowing it.


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Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: Chris9] #178229
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Here is a paddle, just not paddling. I think that's Chums.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tybee500/3530967865/sizes/o/

Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: hobiesailor] #178230
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Originally Posted by hobiesailor
Here is a paddle, just not paddling. I think that's Chums.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tybee500/3530967865/sizes/o/


If the waves get any bigger, they may be able to use that paddle where it is!

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Originally Posted by andrewscott
Originally Posted by hobiesailor
Here is a paddle, just not paddling. I think that's Chums.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tybee500/3530967865/sizes/o/


If the waves get any bigger, they may be able to use that paddle where it is!

Speaking of big waves, how is this for underwater coverage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BOhDaJH0m4&fmt=22

Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: Tony_F18] #178233
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Originally Posted by Tony_F18
Originally Posted by andrewscott
Originally Posted by hobiesailor
Here is a paddle, just not paddling. I think that's Chums.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tybee500/3530967865/sizes/o/


If the waves get any bigger, they may be able to use that paddle where it is!

Speaking of big waves, how is this for underwater coverage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BOhDaJH0m4&fmt=22


Gotta Love the BBC. Best TV in the world.


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Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: Tony_F18] #178235
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Speaking of big waves, how is this for underwater coverage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BOhDaJH0m4&fmt=22



GAWD almighty !

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Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: Wouter] #178236
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OK, two things I found amusing...

"The sailors are being warned about possible waterspouts."

Good news is, you know they're coming. Bad news is, what the hell can you do about it??? Ruby slippers?

Speaking of appropriate gear, SI 10.5 allows "small paddles." What other kind can you fit on one of these boats?

Yes, it's been a long winter. Can't wait for Madcatter...

Mike

Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: scooby_simon] #178237
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Originally Posted by scooby_simon

Gotta Love the BBC. Best TV in the world.


Having been stationed in Scotland for 2 years, with ONLY 4 channels of BBC... i can tell you... ITS NOT ALL THE BEST!

Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: ] #178240
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The wind was blowing out of the south at about 10-12 up until a couple hours ago (around 2:30) then died and switched more to the east. The tracking of the boats show them taking long tacks northeast, then northwest until about that time. Then they settled in close to the shore to get whatever light sea breezes they might catch.
Speeds have gone way down again. Good news is they are 70 miles into the race.
With a little luck we may get a glimps of them in the next hour or so.
Rick


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Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: ] #178242
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Originally Posted by andrewscott
Originally Posted by scooby_simon

Gotta Love the BBC. Best TV in the world.


Having been stationed in Scotland for 2 years, with ONLY 4 channels of BBC... i can tell you... ITS NOT ALL THE BEST!


I think you will find you only had 2 channels of BBC, plus ITV and C4........


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Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: RickWhite] #178243
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Thanks for the update.

Eh, maybe instead of worrying with all the high-tech stuff and the motor-home probs, you could do what they used at old newspapers. Pick up the phone and yell --

Hello, sweetheart! Quick, get me the rewrite desk!

Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: JJ_] #178246
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Speaking of rewrites, as of fifteen minutes ago they were right at Ponce Inlet and averaging about 11 mph. Should be in site pretty soon and probably on the beach by 6PM
Beats 0300 in the morning.


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Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: RickWhite] #178249
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Here we go again. At 5:30 the wind went from light to just shut off completely. We know the Royal Yellow is within about 10 miles or so, but doubt they are moving at all now.
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Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: RickWhite] #178251
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Six boats in sight, about a mile away and going about a mile an hour. Spinnakers are up.

Right now it appears that Team Royal Green is in first place, with Team Whike second, but it's hard to tell for sure which of the two is ahead.

Rick says some people could have problems getting in through the typical Daytona Beach surf -- especially those finishing after dark.

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