| Re: Why the Tiger rocks at distance racing
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#178651 05/18/09 03:17 PM 05/18/09 03:17 PM |
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#178656 05/18/09 03:30 PM 05/18/09 03:30 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | On a wing mast, Chris, you release the cunningham to run and reach. The technique is different and I didn't learn it until the 2008 F18 Championship. I think as that technique dessiminates through the fleet, you'll see less mistakes made. I consider the wingmast an advancement in boatspeed and in sail tuning. I do not consider it a step backward in durability.
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#178740 05/18/09 09:31 PM 05/18/09 09:31 PM |
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Posts: 733 Home is where the harness is..... | I'm not suggesting an F-18 is going to be faster than a Nacra 20 running down wind in huge air. I would suggest that on average it may be better suited to coastal distance racing with reasonable sea breeze (reaching conditions). Which conditions are you likely to see on average on these races?
Chris. Bring the breeze a little more forward to a jib reach and the 20 will EAT the F18's. | | | Re: Why the Tiger rocks at distance racing
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#178774 05/19/09 05:24 AM 05/19/09 05:24 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe Wouter
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Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | Bring the breeze a little more forward to a jib reach and the 20 will EAT the F18's.
Really, because I have not really seen that in racing. The N20 maybe more dive resistant but in capable hands the F18 sure doesn't seem to reach any slower then the EU N20's. Of course if there is one course where a tall mast or (even) more sail area doesn't count then it must be the beam reach. See the Hobie 16 design for details. As far as I can tell, but please correct me, the N20 has two sweet spots and that is downwind spi sailing (especially in rough conditions) and sailing in light winds. Although in the last case the performance difference to the F18's has gotten really small due to better sail development in the F18's. Upwind in normal conditions and even the F16's keep up with the N20's. Or at least I do whenever I find the time to get on my boat and we all know that THAT says something. Also Matt McD. kept up with JC on the N20 a few times. Personally, I have a few tales about sailing through their lee's even. Upwind the N20's don't have much at all or at least in my humble experience. Now, I don't really have a dog in this fight but it does appear that the F18 has a more alround performance profile and may be the preferred choice for any distance racing if the wind conditions are not really known in advance. Wouter
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#179296 05/21/09 07:51 PM 05/21/09 07:51 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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#179298 05/21/09 08:01 PM 05/21/09 08:01 PM |
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